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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop
I mean the black (meaning Subsaharan descent) immigrants from the Carribean as a whole; I've not bothered with looking at statistics of immigrants from individual nations. If that's the route you seek, I'd prefer using the Dominican Republic instead of Haiti (as Haiti is, well, Haiti).....
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So, in other words, if we cherry pick our examples, then you're right.
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Nonsense. If there were a lack of jobs for unskilled workers, there wouldn't have been a surge of illegal immigration. Further, to say illegals face the same barriers as blacks would be dishonesty - they face more. Most speak little to no english, have little formal education, and send a great deal of their paycheck back home. Oh, coming from Chicago is hard? What about nations which have went through successive coups, were subjected to bat**** economic experiments, were governed by kleptocratic mass-murderers, been torn apart by civil war, and are only just recieving modern amenities such as potable water on demand and regular electricity?
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Who said anything about a lack of jobs? Don't put arguments in my mouth.
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Batlord, there's any of multiple explanations which could be applied. However, let's be clear; the "black community" we speak of are those descended from slaves in the USA. Nigerian-Americans, as I've previously stated, have (on average) the highest level of education of any group in the nation (even higher than the Ashkenazi, although IQ tests - if you put stock in them - tell us Ashkenazi are supposed to be more intelligent)....
How about:
1. The standard Austrian School argument that government mandated welfare is harmful to the lower classes.
2. The moderate right wing argument that the multiplicity of welfare programs on a federal, state, and local level make abusing the safety net easy.
3. The centrist argument that transitioning from welfare to gainful employment is difficult because of the lack of an immediate benefit in terms of gross net income, thus disincentivizing individuals.
4. Large scale immigration, both legal & illegal, has depressed wages in entry level jobs. Add to this a rhetorical question, "Who will work harder for less: kid from the 1st world who has welfare waiting for him or kid from the 3rd worl whose family is relying upon his remittances?", and you've a problem.
5. The effect raising minimum wages has had on the increasing mechanization and automation of jobs that were formerly entry level, making it harder for people to gain skills.
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There very well may be some truth to all that. But I think more importantly, we're dealing with a group of people who were treated like animals for two hundred years. Then they were freed and almost as quickly abandoned again and left to the whims of white society. They couldn't vote, at least in the South they were segregated, they were given second rate (at best) resources for education, they were subject to brutality with almost no chance at justice, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc for a further hundred years. And only in the last fifty years has white society decided to treat them like human beings. And you wonder why many of them are a bit apathetic about becoming fully fledged members of a (white) society that for only fifty of the last four hundred years has considered them actual human beings?