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RVCA · 08-23-2011, 07:31 PM

I'm sorry but Paine is simply using mathematics as a guise to fancy up his real argument: God must exist because there has to have been a "first mover", and this is something I have already addressed by quoting Carl Sagan. Perhaps God was the "first mover", but then where did god come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the universe is an unanswerable question? Or if we say that god always existed, why not save a step and conclude that the universe always existed?

If "God" must be an immutable "first mover", why not save a step and conclude that physics does not need a "first mover"?

08-23-2011, 07:31 PM	#330 (permalink)
RVCA （￣ー￣） Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,270	I'm sorry but Paine is simply using mathematics as a guise to fancy up his real argument: God must exist because there has to have been a "first mover", and this is something I have already addressed by quoting Carl Sagan. Perhaps God was the "first mover", but then where did god come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the universe is an unanswerable question? Or if we say that god always existed, why not save a step and conclude that the universe always existed? If "God" must be an immutable "first mover", why not save a step and conclude that physics does not need a "first mover"? Last edited by RVCA; 08-23-2011 at 07:37 PM.