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Old 12-26-2011, 04:37 PM   #185 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Mighty Salami View Post
Without wishing to sound mean or disrespectful, I seem to remember you claiming that you had a degree in psychology. If this is true, these comments are very perplexing.

First of all, let's clear up the terms. "evolutionism" is not the same as "evolution". "Evolutionism" is a belief that all organisms are bound to increase in complexity. It also a belief which concerns cultural evolution. It is not a particularly useful term, since it's main users are creationists who want to deride the scientific consensus. It is not to be confused with the biological principle.

Secondly, if you hold the idea that humans have reached the peak of their development and will not evolve further, this comes across to me as a very anthropocentric position. Just because we can't see any new avenue for us to evolve into, this doesn't rule it out. For example, it may surprise you to learn of all the vestigial organs in the body, for which their function is no longer required. For example, the coccyx: we don't need a tail bone any more and it has been removed from the body on several occasions with no adverse effects.
What I'm saying is that considering the human body to be in it's most perfect state and "we are no longer 'evolving' as a species" is false. Evolution continues, and it is anthropocentric to view otherwise.
And coming to the most important part, the brain. We know very little about the brain, and considering the limitations of human intelligence, I can't see how anyone can claim that the current state of the human brain is the most advanced intelligence can be.

And when the human brain develops further, surely then the creativity of humans will also develop: a lot of music relies on simple chord sequences and fairly similar content.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, but the point is that when evolution has allowed our brains a greater scope of creativity, the effects on music will become manifest.



It's a music forum, everyone here listens to music
I am not going to argue any of your points. Psychology was indeed a minor many years ago, and I was in a haze, so I paid minor attention. And, evolution was not a subject I took much stock in at the time, and, not a huge course of study involved in abnormal psych.
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And when the human brain develops further, surely then the creativity of humans will also develop: a lot of music relies on simple chord sequences and fairly similar content.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, but the point is that when evolution has allowed our brains a greater scope of creativity, the effects on music will become manifest.
Do you think due to the current situation this world faces, that man will continue to survive long enough on this planet to actually reach this point?

I don't. And, if he Truly understood the CNS from a perspective outside of biology, he would cut that coccyx out, or suck it out with a vacuum cleaner faster than you can say circumcision. Truly 'cond-ascending' information flows upward from that monster lying just below the 'sacrum'.

I will only argue that single-cell organisms can out think our tremendously sized brains, and can replicate faster than we can say clone.

I appreciate your comments, and, even as some were 'tongue-in-cheek' at best; but, not condescending at all. Right? It's alright. I'm a big boy, I can take it. You are the Mighty Mighty Salami, and, I hope like heck I am full of mighty mighty bologna.

And, you're right. Everyone here listens to music. How many listen to the words?



They say Brian May wrote this song after he had a dream about the 'Great Flood'. I say he wrote us a message. It's kind of a haunting message to be sure. I did not look, but, I will guess you to be from the U.K. If not, forgive me, but Queen was one very significant band.

If they would have just stayed clear of synthesizers. Read the lyrics, they are quite creative, and poignant.

peace

steve
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