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Originally Posted by Il Duce
I'll just start by stating my own position on this matter. I am a deist. However, i don't subscribe to conventional institutionalised religions and i am a Gnostic Christian, believing instead in an impartial chaotic entity, who has already set the universe in motion and has already fixed a linear space-time continuum for all of us, including aliens, if that may be the case.
I think that all life is predestined, and freewill is illusory. I do, however, believe in judgment after death, anyway, and all that Jesus can do is barter on your behalf, like a lawyer plea-bargaining. I have no idea where i'm going to end up when i die, may it be hell, purgatory, heaven or limbo, but i do have a pseudo-scientific notion that i can guide my consciousness, that remains after death, not in the form of a soul, but perhaps iota packets of thought and place such thoughts into a recepient lifeform on another planet, that may resemble such conditions that hell, heaven, purgatory or limbo is portrayed.
Lately however, i have been turning over and over in my head that God merely exists in the mind. There is this neuro-chemical called "leu-enkitalin" that gives you a sense of immense well-being. And this may be triggered by a consensual interaction between human beings, perhaps projecting their own onslaught of "leu-enkitalin" in the belief that God is watching over them, through their own speech and emotiveness, thereby ensnaring other non-believers into this thread of "deception".
And from my own personal experience, i have felt this projection myself, i was evangelised to, and felt this surge of chemical high as the pastor explained to me Christ and prayed over me. And when he talked about the end-times, even something such as heavy rain had me convinced we're nearing the end-times. I am a bit convinced that there is such a neuro-chemical as a "God" neuro-chemical. And when i started to delve into Atheist philosophy, i felt this "god" neuro-chemical leaving me.
There have also been experiments where certain parts of the brain were stimulated, and certain transmitters created a "God" effect and others created a "Devil" effect.
So let's have a healthy debate, shall we?
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I dig what you're saying and retort it with the question what if your mind is in God?
The idea of a chaotic entity or force setting all else into being makes some sense, because it is as far removed from the limited Human perspective as you can get while still making some semblance of logical sense...the problem I have is when you mention the idea of linearity - that is something that has to be purely in the context of the Human mind or at least the concious mind; seeing as no Human or any known lifeform has the ability to create the Universe without, at the very least, the creation of some sort of machine, I don't believe that what we experience as reality is the most fundamental form of reality; maybe we have the greatest experience and cognitive awareness, but maybe bacteria makes better use of the space/time.
A chemical explanation is not completely mental; if I remember right in the Bible it says whenever there are 2 or more Christians present God is present. That could be explainable by chemicals, or even just a meditative attitude of "most efficient causality" i.e. getting from A to B in the straightest line possible for a conceptual metaphor.
What I wonder is if the entire concept of God exists purely as a socio-psychological justification for working together, because when everyone's got the right attitude two heads are better than one. Thats the basis of the argument for dismissing God, generally.
To me that's the basis of asking more questions - if it's true that all God is is collective conciousness, that is evident of an inherent greater reason for working together as a collective conciousness. I.e. why can I not do everything alone?
Which brings it back to what you said about linearity and my problem - if, for example in the book Starmaker, one were to achieve collective conciousness with all other beings through transcension of the physical mass, not just thinking the same but a pure infinite being made of all thought, would that amalgamatory conciousness experience reality in a linear sense?
Or, considering time and linearity amounts to relativity and decay of mass, would it experience "all reality" which is perhaps the most basic form of reality we know, construct of an atom, or maybe even more basic; perhaps all being, by extension "all time" is the timeless state of zero and maybe the individual experiences linearity only in context to all other collections of mass and energy, like fractured pieces of varying sizes of one mass in gravitational orbit relevant to all other mass I.e. it's only linear because there's something to move through; and I only exist because of my limitations.
Is that preset? Is freewill an illusion? Because I'm pretty sure I could burn it all. Can I? Or do I only think I can; and what is thought but a plan of action...
If you remove an individual from any sort of interaction with or relativity to any other mass of a non-zero value, will it cease to exist by definition?
Is God a lack of our existence, maybe we are the imperfect form of nothing; or is God our Ultimate; i.e. us all...
Or maybe there is literally something you can point to and say "God, Allah, Shiva, Buddha, Mercy". If that's the case, damn me to Hell if it isn't the most mindblowing thing I ever saw.
As for Jesus Christ, technically I adhere to the Islamic view, but I don't eat up Islamic propaganda.
In Islam Jesus Christ is just a man, a very great man, born of virgin mother, who I guess in a sense I view as someone who taught people how to find that A to B and how to work together to realise A to B, by getting nailed to a crucifix to show what happens when you don't.
In life, being as he was will probably get you far.
If you don't agree then as far as the crucifix is enough.
In a cosmical sense maybe this idea of what I want to call "efficiency" but understand the word is a limited Human idea is what will save the eternal energy of your mass from becoming a pile of crap.
Maybe we collect an energy or something, relevant to the space of nothingness we occupy... through causality, orbit, and action it grows and is made up of polar frequencies... maybe that is the soul.
Maybe a pure energy breaks down into fundamental atomic particles and maybe that "feels" to "You" like eternal bliss.
I don't believe Jesus Christ is God, because God is limitless. Any limited form claiming to be God is the Devil; because if you accept limitation as "your God" you stop exceeding it. There can be no "My God" "Your God" and possesive pronouns. I will try to be like Jesus, sure, and all the Abrahamic prophets, and I will get around to reading what they're teaching; cos I haven't even read all the Holy books. One thing I know for certain, he's not better than me, though. Only did greater things through greater understanding.