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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine
Psh, that's not a good attitude! The more voices the better, especially in a debate where it can seem that there are two sides, when in fact there are many. For example, A government or local council could give more attention to integrating a community than anything else, and they would still fail if the constituent groups didn't want to integrate. We're all opposed to the concept of Racism - that is, discrimination against a race or group of people based on their colour or creed - but is it racism to be angry with or discriminate against a group because as a group they have acted against the building of a community in your area? I'm not saying that this happens, I'm just saying that the "racism" card is played far too early for my liking in many areas of society, often in an attempt to gain something that one would otherwise not be eligible for.
I'm sure we've all heard stories of the black person skipping a cue and shouting racism when someone tells them to get in line. I know of a Kenyan national who served in the british army, who was assaulted by a group of asian immigrants, with multiple independent witnesses, who was told by the police that it wasn't a racial incident because no white person had been involved. Call me conservative, hell, call me racist if you want, but there are some serious problems with definitions in the world at the moment, and a lot of **** that needs to be sorted out before I'm willing to accept that more than the barest majority of cases of racism are actually racist.
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I agree the racism card is played too quickly too often and can often cause racism where it really doesn't exist, as always a degree of common sense is always needed. As you know the ocurrences with Liverpool FC have been so blown out of proportion and a good example.
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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine
Not necessarily true. If he is against multi-culturalism because he doesn't want any whites/blacks/jews/muslims/etc. in his country because he doesn't like that they are whites/blacks/ etc. etc., then yes, he isn't opposed to racism. If he is entirely against immigration because diversity causes social problems and he feels that they inhibit his ability to live his life the way he wants to, that's not necessarily racism. It's still not (necessarily) RIGHT, but he may be taking issue with them over their actions, rather than their race or creed.
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Both the points you've raised above are actually the same thing, how do you actually differentiate between the two? The whole argument of a racist is usually based on how different ethnic groups inhibit is way of life. Its normally all racist goes on about!
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Originally Posted by Janszoon
I'm not talking arguments he's made in this particular thread, I'm saying generally speaking he's a flaming racist and proud of it. I thought that was common knowledge to be honest.
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It is common knowledge, but he tends to play the economics card to try and throw people off.