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Peppermint. Back in 1980 or so, when the Clash hit the scene, they were actually considered 'new wave', and, not exactly punk. They were kind of mainstream, and, the punk label was somewhat obscure at the time. Punk bands like Black Flag, the Dead Kennedys, and even the Ramones did not exactly top the pop charts, and came on the scene a bit later. The Clash did, and, we did not consider it punk at the time. But, they were a good band to be sure, but, still considered new wave at the time.

The Dead Kennedy's were probably the first real hardcore punk to make a mark in the early 80's. I remember Holiday in Cambodia was somewhat successful. I still love Jello Biafra especially with Mojo Nixon.

Just an observation from someone who was 19 at that time.

But, they were fairly instrumental in helping the cause of 'disco death', so, they were refreshing to be sure. But, so was Van Halen, Tom Petty, the Boss, and the chicks like Heart, and Blondie. We were lucky that year to see the end of the Bee Gees, and, Donna Summer. But, then came Quiet Riot!


The term "New Wave" itself has been a source of much confusion and controversy. It first circulated as a rock music genre in the early 1970s, used by critics like Nick Kent and Dave Marsh to classify such New York-based groups as the Velvet Underground and New York Dolls. It gained a much wider currency beginning in 1976 when it appeared in UK punk fanzines such as Sniffin' Glue, and also in newsstand music weeklies such as "Melody Maker" and "New Musical Express" magazine. In a November 1976 article in Melody Maker, Caroline Coon used Malcolm McLaren's term "New Wave" to designate music by bands not exactly punk, but related to, and part of the same musical scene; the term was also used in that sense by music journalist Charles Shaar Murray in his comments about The Boomtown Rats. For a period of time in 1976 and 1977 the two terms were interchangeable.By the end of 1977, "New Wave" had replaced "Punk" as the definition for new underground music in the UK.

A little wiki paragraph on the subject. The New York Dolls, and Velvet Underground were actually the initiators of the 'new wave/punk' scene in the early 70's, and, were very underground back then.

Just a little history for you Peppermint. The punks have been articulate, and, extremely intelligent. But, anti-establishment ranting doesn't sit well with redneck America. And, even as i like the current punk scene much better, with equally articulate lyricists, it still doesn't play to the 14 year old girls. So, great bands like Against Me!, Thrice, and the many other post-hardcore bands do not fair well with few exceptions like possibly Rise Against.

Emo and Screamo sucks! It's all changing peppermint. You probably won't hear the likes of Rage against the Machine, or System of a Down, and, certainly not the Henry Rollins type of ranting in the future. I prefer the singing to the screaming, so, it suits me just fine

There are a lot of newer stuff that stands out to me, but, i will pick Thrice, 'at the last' for now. And, they're great live, as is Against Me!, which my Son took me to, and, turned me on to a lot of new music.



sorry for the rant, i was bored. No one is insulting me on other threads, so, i am watching basketball, jamming, and typing all at the same time. Is that talent?