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Originally Posted by Neapolitan
Wow we actually agree on something. 
There is different ways to look at infinity. Take the "line" and a "ray" for instance. A ray proceeds towards infinity in only one direction. A line proceeds towards infinity in two directions.
This universe time flow foward and is like a "ray" ( -------->)
where the moment of singularity would be the point in the beginning of the ray representing time.
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Singularity - Big Bang - hyper inflation - annihilation of anti matter - formation of the fundamental force - etc etc - stellar cloud - formation of the solar system - formation of Earth in deep time -- now ---> the future (the Big Rip, The Big Crunch, or Steady State)
Now if time was a "line" and proceeded infinitely in to two directions, where would any of that (the history of the universe) fall on the time line? For that infinite universe to exist it would need everything to exist at one, the Fundamental Forces couldn 't evolve. In such a universe the Big Bang couldn't happen and the Universe wouldn't evolve, it would always have to be in a steady state. |
I agree that an infinite line could have a starting point, but I don't know how a universe with infinite time and space could. It couldn't be born with a big bang because the singularity I believe is finite and after the bang, space expands from the bang origin. That means a big bang implies a universe finite in space. I'm not an astrophysicist, but that's how I think at least.
But you touch upon an interesting point which I thought of when I first saw this thread. What if the natural occurrence of events is so that you have a universe of matter, then all that matter clumps into black holes which no longer supports life. At this point in time, the possibilities of life are non-existent in the infinite universe. Let's say that because even black holes lose a microscopic amount of radiation, after countless aeons, they eventually shrink into nothing and all the matter in the infinite universe is a haze so thin that gravity can't put it together to form proper matter any more. If this "haze" universe was inevitable and there was absolutely no way for a universe to escape this condition once it was attained, wouldn't that mean that possibilities were only possible for a finite amount of time while most of eternity is spent as a haze universe?
(In this case, there could still be an infinite amount of Tores given infinite space and matter, but only as long as a Tore is a possibility.)
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Originally Posted by Neapolitan
When you say "1 will reappear" what do you mean?
When you are talking about "one" like you said it could the value of one or the symbol of one (1). The value of 1 is unique, while the symbol of one hypothetically can appear an infinite amout of time it the set of Natural Numbers were writen out on I guess infinitely long piece of paper.
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In relation to the story about the different Tores writing on Musicbanter, when I write that 1 will reappear in the sequence of numbers, that's the same as different Tores who write on Musicbanter appearing at different times in the universes history. There could be many such Tores, but only one of them is me. So I think that makes me unique.