02-12-2013, 12:46 AM
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They/Them
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Originally Posted by rostasi
Aleatoric music (which is not always referred to as "indeterminacy") is not an attempt to omit the composer from the compositional process.
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Incorrect, many people refer to it as chance music or indeterminacy... especially when referring to John Cage's body of work. If this is not true, then please explain the difference. Also, yes, most of the time it is an attempt to eliminate the composer's "ego" from the compositional process. That is why many pieces following the aleatoric concept use chance operations. However, this is not always the case.
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John Cage did not "invent" aleatoric music (nor had he ever claimed this).
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He was the first to do so on record as far as my knowledge goes. If not, please explain who did.
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Also, Cage did not "often" use "mathematical equations" to create his music.
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Uh... yes he did. Go read the book Musicage: Cage Muses on Words, Art, Music , then get back to me.
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"Variations IV" was from 1963, not '65, and the second part of a trilogy of pieces.
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Variations IV (with David Tudor)
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As for "going outside and listening to the sounds around you" (you can do this "inside" as well),
maybe the only people that would find this an example of aleatoric music would
be those that think that maybe some supreme being used chance operations to
manipulate a master score that is now being performed, but, I have to admit,
I've yet to hear anyone say it in this way.
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I suppose you could say that if you believe there has to be a composer enable for music to exist.
Last edited by TockTockTock; 02-12-2013 at 12:53 AM.
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