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Old 02-25-2013, 10:17 AM   #118 (permalink)
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I do find it amusing, a little insulting that some people here seem to think it's unbelievable that anyone would NOT contemplate murder for gain. I mean, what's so hard to understand? Are you guys saying that if someone gave you a gun, brought you to a baby in its pram and said shoot this kid dead and I'll pay you fifty million that you would? Is there no line you would not cross? Have you no morals?
It's not about morality. We all know that it's morally wrong to kill someone for money. That's so obvious that it's not even worth mentioning. The question at hand is whether you think that the morality that is tested by opening the door for little old ladies or not cheating on a test is sufficient to cover this kind of situation. Obviously you have had your morality tested in ways that mine never have, but the question still remains. If you were in this position, just think of how you could help your sister. You could hire nurses. The finest medical care would be at your disposal. Not to overstep my bounds, but I'm sure that when the time came that these thoughts would go through your head and right and wrong might just become blurred.

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So you think we're all sociopaths?
No, but morality is a creation of evolution meant to serve a pragmatic purpose (i.e. allowing us to live in a group to better chances for survival.) It doesn't exist objectively. Just think of slavery. People thought that it was wrong even when the Spanish were considering enslaving the natives in America. They had public debates on the subject. But I'm sure it occurred to them that if they didn't exploit the New World and all that it had to offer, slaves included, that the English or the Dutch would and would come to dominate them. And so morality was altered to suit pragmatism. It wasn't until the industrial revolution and slavery became obsolete that morality was allowed to win out. Obviously for an individual morality is less fluid, since if a single human being isn't willing to die to protect their child or someone isn't willing to put themselves in danger to fight an oppressive government then morality wouldn't have enough power to protect the species as a whole, but the point remains that morality is not an absolute.
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