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Originally Posted by The Batlord
Hell yeah. You can call it a thrash album, but it's really just one of the greatest and most intense straight up heavy metal albums ever made. Like Holocaust and Diamond Head combined with hardcore punk.
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Originally Posted by mojopinuk
Exactly. Threres a strong argument to be made that the Black Album is their crowning achievement.
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I stated this on another thread, that Metallica wanted to make an accessible album for the masses and they achieved it with this album. If you want to become one of the biggest bands on the planet, you have to appeal to the widest possible audience out there and they did exactly that. Personally I don't like the album, but that is besides the point.
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Originally Posted by Musicfanatic
You guys can be like a bunch of religious zealots when it comes to this Metallica thing. I am probably one of the biggest fans of the band here, with many others claiming them to be subpar to many other metal acts. But then everyone wants to put down an album because it's different than the others before it. I get that, really I do, but I cannot accept the blatant stupidity that gets thrown around because it isn't a thrash album.
Look at Death Magnetic for modern day thrash. That's what we could have gotten instead of the Black Album, and I for one am glad that they had at least one more great album in them that was journeying towards where their style and vocal maturity was heading. Before we got something that was trying to reenter their old territory, a realm in which they would have been smart in throwing in the towel. I look at the Black Album as their last really great album. My favorite Metallica album? Helk no! That'd be Kill 'Em All. As Fred Hale Sr. was so apt in mentioning.
But to put down the Black Album because it wasn't a conventional choice? It's loaded with great material. Don't Tread On Me, Of Wolf and Man, The Struggle Within, Sad But True, The God That Failed, Through the Never, etc.
No, it's not thrash, I can agree with that. But it's as near a masterpiece as you can get once you look at the changes and possibilities of where they could have gone with it: Death Magnetic, now that's the failure...  |
I don't think anybody sees them as sub-par with other metal acts. they're one of the most important metal acts ever. Being as big as they got allowed them the freedom to put out more or less what they wanted with guaranteed sales. I think over the last 10 years they've gone stale but so do a lot of bands who've been around for a long time. Saying that though I liked Death Magnetic.
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Originally Posted by Janszoon
It's actually only since I joined MB that I discovered that there are a bunch of people who don't like AJFA, which I always find kind of surprising. It's not a perfect album (I could definitely do without "To Live is to Die" for example), but I put it on par with RtL and like it more than K'EA or the black album.
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Before I joined the forum I always thought of it as the most hated Metallica album ever and then was surprised at how many people love it. I think the album idea was good and in essence the songs were good. But each song would've benefitted from being shorter and worked out better. The album's big failing as most know was in its final mix.