Originally Posted by Pedestrian

or they'll rightfully want to pickle your balls

Originally Posted by P A N

no. you simply can't. a man has no choice in the matter. you do not know that feeling, and you never will. and of course it's a painful situation for a woman, of which i myself can never imagine. i don't believe i disputed that at all. all i'm saying is sure, a woman holds the reins in that situation, and i believe - as i'm sure many males do - that it is perhaps not her duty but simply respectful to inform him of the situation.

also, ascribing decency to the matter of whether or not a male views progeny in its earliest form as life or not is slightly presumptuous.

either way, i wasn't trying to hijack the thread or look to convince people of my viewpoint. i'm just offering up some perspective from an experienced male's point of view.