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Originally Posted by 216
hey mj fans im not trollin just want to ask the question and see what 'real' mj fans think of his child molestation stuff.
heres a link to court documents revealing the stuff they found in his house
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and i read recent reports he spent between 25-35 mil to cover up molestation stuff
does this taint ur image of him at all or what do you think
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You most likely read from unreliable sources as I have an MJ google alert primarily for music, but I get news. A bunch of sketchy outlets were reporting on this with what I'm pretty sure is a tabloid magazine as their only source for "research". This more reliable resource actually did their research:
Tabloid report on Michael Jackson 'FBI files' questioned - CNN.com
Besides instead of looking to sketchy outlets, why don't you actually look at the files? They're available to the public. Your lazy research is as bad as MJ stans who don't bother to look into anything and think MJ is a frikkin' angel.
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The quote I posted shows you why he waited and what was going on. It explains the psychological trauma that MJ put him through to make it seem like everything was okay and that he wasn't abused.
Also, if he didn't do anything shady then why did he need an alarm to alert him when someone was coming down the hallway?
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For your first point, it's honestly up to you what you believe in. Realistically I only believe MJ is innocent 99.9%. I have learned in one psychology class that research is finding repression is an unlikely experience.
He's a high profile celebrity, what do you think? In my early fan days, I read a lot about MJ because I had heard of the allegations as a child. There was one happening that stuck with me when this creepy chick hid in the kitchen of the Jackson Encino home and was able to stay there for some time in an attempt to meet MJ. There are some dangerous fans out there. I remember reading on this suicidal fan who was gonna kill him or herself if MJ didn't intervene in the FBI files I think.
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Originally Posted by realtalk92
I love Janelle as well. I am not into alot of current mainstream artists but she is amazing. I dont really consider her that mainstream but she deserves to be because she is more talented and interesting than alot of what is being played on the radio today.
I think once the "Jackson 5" left Motown that was the turning point for Michaels adult career because it really allowed him to grow as a singer and as a songwriter. It allowed him to become a "artist" and not just a entertainer. Dont get me wrong, I love the Little Michael/Jackson 5 Motown period ALOT. However, alot of the songs were really formulaic and Michaels singing style was as well. They also did not have much contribution in the songwriting and production. Once the Jacksons went to Epic Records, Michael began to actual write his own music as well as his brothers. They were more instrumental in the making of their music, choregraphy, etc than they were when they were with Motown. I love all the Jacksons album and I think they all are filled with classics and gems.
The Jacksons self titled album was an important album despite the lack of fan love it receives because it was the first album they made since breaking away from Motown. Many many underrated gems from this album and classics. Gamble and Huff put their foot in the production of this album and The Jacksons/Joe Jackson were smart for collaborating with them.
Highlights: Show You The Way To Go, Enjoy Yourself, Blues Away - Michaels first official song he had written.
I love Goin' Places and highlights on the album for me are Different Kind of Lady and Find Me A Girl. These songs are amazing and you can tell Michael was cuttin up on these lol and was really breaking through as a vocalist. Alot of the adlibs and style of singing he did on these records he would not have been able to do on Motown.
Destiny is one of my all time favorites as well and there are alot of classics from the album such as "Thats What You Get For Being Polite", Things I do For you, Bless His Soul (fantastic production and powerful vocals from MJ) and Shake Your Body Down to the Ground- CLASSIC. I agree with your opinion on the latter as well. It shows his ability to connect with emotions and with people.
I agree with your theory on Triumph which is a MUST have album. The album is flawless from beginning to end. I dont particularly care for "Wondering Who" though outside of the funky production. If Michael was singing lead it probably would have been better.
My favorite tracks are: Everybody (LOVE LOVE LOVE this song it reminds me of Michaels OTW-Get On The Floor) Give It Up--- unique singing style, Time Waits For No One- love his vunerability, This Place Hotel--- one of the best songs Michael has written and flawless production, Walk Right Now, and Lovely One. Triumph is more darker and mysterious but I think the theme was more reflective of Michaels emotions than the emotions of his brothers especially on This Place Hotel.
Stranger in Moscow is a masterpiece, I love it!
HIStory and Blood on the Dance Floor are very political, dark, loud, and in your face. Invincible is Michaels weakest album but it is not as bad as critics made it to be which mostly had to do with the sales during the time the album was released. It has since sold over 10 million copies world wide which is his lowest in terms of sales.
Invincible was not as great as his previous albums we have discussed but it does have a few gems/classics on the album. Michael could still kick a ss vocally and went back to making R&B. My favorite tracks are: Butterflies, Break of Dawn, Whatever Happens, Threatened, Unbreakable and Speechless.
I think the problem I had with Invincible was the lack of cohesiveness and Michael did not write a lot of the songs on the album. I think he added more songwriters because he wanted to keep up with the times and wanted outside perspectives on the current music scene. I was disappointed because he is a great songwriter and producer. He did not have to do that. The album has aged pretty well. It sounds like it could have been made in 2013.
Yea Ive seen all of Michaels beat boxing videos!!! That is usually how he comes up with the beats to his music. He first beat boxes it and from there he comes up with the melodies (which is pretty darn cool lol). I just thought it was cool how on those particular two songs the production is just a loop of him beat boxing although it sounds like instruments. He was very involved with his music. He was an artist and I dont pay the detractors any mind who want to argue otherwise.
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Hopefully "The Electric Lady" will get her somewhere. I thought Dance Apocalyptic was going to be her breakthrough because it was so catchy, but still with her quirkiness.
I'll admit, I haven't checked out MJ's early days with the Jackson 5- way too commercialized for me especially with how young he was and the lyrics he was singing. I'm in the process of getting there eventually because I feel like I owe MJ's artistry to do it.
I have listened to The Jacksons album and the only track that stuck with me was Blues Away. I love seeing the development of his songwriting.
I've listened to Goin' Places and didn't really find anything that were keepers. When I listened to his older stuff, I came to the conclusion that MJ's songwriting and leadership of his own music really really did play a big part in his artistry.
Me too on Wondering Who. If MJ had been singing lead, it probably would have been better. That's kind of the whole problem with Victory. I LOVE Everybody sooo much. It irks me that it didn't tear up the charts as it's such an epic groove!
Yeah, HIStory and BOtDF are both apart of MJ's lovely lovely dark phase.
I feel ya on critics of Invincible. Like many of MJ's albums somehow his personal life was taking hits instead of the music actually. I think the problem with Invincible was the "clunkiness" of the production. My favs are Speechless, DWA, TLC (it's sooo sappy, but I love it!), WH, BoD, and YRMW. That's interesting you say it aged well. I've had some fans say different. I'm not really sure myself. While the heavy production is definitely of this age, some fans say it's kind of stuck in its time, which I can see if I look at some of the music back in 2001.
I don't like when people degrade MJ as an artist because he can't play an instrument or read music. It makes no sense as they are greats who can't either and if you look into him enough you can see how he did his work. Have you ever seen those depositions on YouTube? I love how he explains his songwriting and him beatboxing in court was gold! It was like a free concert and the absurdity of the lady saying her song sounded like Dangerous was hilarious.