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Originally Posted by djchameleon
I don't know if you read the entire thread or not but that's a technical limitation that might not be able to have happen.
Plus screw you music lovers, I want to see new posts from lounge posts :P
It's like you are treating members like sheep and they need to be herding over to the music section of the site so they can't see a lounge post because god forbid they don't feel like talking about music for one day or might not have something to say at this point in time and want to goof off a little bit.
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If it isn't possible for moderators to remove lounge posts from the "New Posts," then I agree the idea couldn't be implemented even if desired.
However, I view Loathsome Pete's idea of focusing attention on the music section not as treating members like sheep, but as one method of directing the spotlight onto positive music discussion and away from the lounge threads that usually seem to inspire more of the personal attacks that occur among members.
As I've seen in this thread, personal attacks (such as on sopsych) create a negative atmosphere that may make people feel less likely to want to participate in the community. The response to sopsych certainly wouldn't encourage *him* to post more about music, but I hope he continues. I admire his passion and knowledge about '80s pop rock.
In my view, our member sopsych simply agreed with the original moderator's opinion that MB is in trouble due to the nasty drama:
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Originally Posted by duga
This forum needs help. Badly.
Every new member that has something to contribute eventually stops showing up. There is nothing but drama. Some people like this...but I (along with many others) am not a dramatic person. I want to talk about music. Sure, I can go to the latest hipster blogs and find out what they think is good...but I came here because this site took things deeper. [...]
This forum has turned into nothing but a drama filled cliquey bitchfest and frankly, it disgusts me. If I had just joined, I would have just left like all the other new members that take one look and turn the other way. But I'm invested. I remember how much I used to enjoy coming here. I would like to think there is something we can do.
This forum works best when there are equal parts members with a DEEP knowledge of whatever music they like best and inexperienced members ready to drink it up. The drama was there, sure, but drama fueled by passion for music is something I can tolerate. That dynamic is completely lost. This isn't just another cry for "waaah...this forum sucks now"...it has truly hit rock bottom. If the cliques continue NO ONE will want to join. So my question is...
How do we fix this? How do we attract those quality members without scaring them away?
And how do we get people who just like to stir **** up to shut the **** up?
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^ How do we attract members who like to discuss music deeply and who don't bash people for their views?
I recommend that we...
* don't attack members by calling them trolls;
* don't tell members to leave the site when they dislike some of the dynamics here;
* don't misrepresent members such as sopsych by saying they contribute nothing, when they do;
* don't encourage mods to ban someone;
* don't make threads that appear to target one individual (as in this case sopsych) as if he were the only one here to complain about the forum.
* DO disagree with people's viewpoints when you disagree with them;
* DO stand up politely for your fellow members;
* DO encourage people to share their opinions about topics, even if you disagree with their opinion;
* DO report personal insults and attacks;
* DO enjoy music discussion with members and appreciate their contributions.
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Originally Posted by Janszoon
The sopsych derail has been moved here. Hopefully we can get this thread back to being the great positive discussion it was.
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I feel that sopsych did not derail the thread from the initial topic. In fact, he was staying on topic by pointing out, like moderator Duga did, that the negative atmosphere (meanness, nastiness, jumping on posters with personal attacks) creates a less welcoming environment such that not as many people may want to share deeply and openly about music here.
I feel the way this thread evolved is ironically a perfect example of the negative climate that sopsych has wanted to change and that duga originally pointed out was a problem here.
On a positive note, people are sharing their strong opinions very openly, and no one died.
