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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody
I think the obvious point being missed here is race. Both punk and heavy metal are subgenres that evolved from white youths. In the past, mosh pits could be hostile environments for someone with the wrong pigmentation.
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I disagree. Unless you're referring to the skinheads but I saw them beating up whites far more than I saw them beating up anyone else. Punk is very anti-racist. Can't say about metal for certain but the majority of metalheads are not racially motivated. I have friends that are punks and friends that are metalheads and I would say they are more critical of each other than either faction is towards blacks. Metal is more ambivalent towards race but punk is outwardly anti-racist. The very first hardcore band was black.
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Rap evolved from black youths who felt shut out from white society, and the music continues to be the chosen vehicle of expression for non white immigrants in many western nations. Take the rise of Grime music in London.
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There are huge numbers of white kids into rap and hip-hop.
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I love both genres, that being said, they both suck musically, and have done their fair share of damage to the decline of music in western society.
Punk rock is generally simplistic and easy to play rock music consisting of eighth and sixteenth note drives. When Green Day & the Offspring went mainstream it lowered the talent bar for what is acceptable for mainstream rock. They spawned a generation of **** bands, that can not hold a candle to the Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, The Rolling Stones, the Eagles ect.
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Green Day couldn't hold a candle to a real punk band. The other bands you mention also did their share of lowering the bar. None of them were exactly Mozart, Stravinsky, Miles or Bird. Every after-school band I played in in high school did "Train Kept A-Rollin'" a la Aerosmith (who ripped off the Yarbirds version) but none of us ever did it like Tiny Bradshaw and couldn't if we had wanted to. It was far too complex. It's incredible how much you have to know about your instrument to play jazz and (real) R&B. Until I took up double bass, I had no idea. The more you learn, the more you realize there is to know. It seems like there's no end in sight.
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Rap music is based on sampling beats, which severely restricts your artistic creativity. Sure there are creative geniuses out there like Dr. Dre, but for far too long the music been hijacked by talentless douchebags who rely on image and worn out gangster lingo to sell their records.
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I wish rap would get back to the jazz and beat poetry but it is not going to happen.
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Would anyone care to argue that Lil Wayne can hold a candle to Curtis Mayfield?
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Curtis Mayfield was a genius. For that matter, so was Percy Mayfield--give him a listen some time.