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Join Date: Jan 2011
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Originally Posted by Trollheart
Mayhem, it seems, do, or did. I'm still not sure whether to take the words of Dead at face value, but it seemed he declared his hatred for fun, enjoyment, peace, happiness, laughter. Euronymous, the guitarist (who is also now dead, surprise surprise) claimed he wanted to spread sorrow, hatred and evil through his music. He claimed to be against freedom, to worship death, oh, and Satan. For real.
Now, you may say and you may be right, all of this was theatre, that neither Dead nor Euronymous meant what they said. It could, indeed, be the Manowar idea: all an image created to sell records. The problem lies in this: although people may have been suckered into believing that Joey DeMaio went to bed in a lionskin loincloth and with a dagger at his side and a sword under his pillow, and may even in extreme cases have emulated such behaviour, Manowar never preached anything except rock and roll. Oh yes, they said "death to false metal!" but they just meant --- and it was understood --- don't listen to that sort of music, ridicule and revile it. I think everyone could see they were just playing a part, revelling in the roles they had created and having one hell of a time doing so.
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Nah, the black metal clique in Norway didn't mean it. The real difference between them and Manowar is that those kids were legitimately disturbed. If black metal had started out as a bigger scene then it wouldn't have been so bad, but it was a very small, insular scene at first so it was capable of being influenced by a few charismatic nutbags like Varg Vikernes and Euronymous. I don't understand why everybody says "RIP Euronymous". Dude was a loser and a c unt.
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But Mayhem, whether or not they were serious, held some very dark beliefs and --- and this is extremely important --- made it seem like they meant every word they said. Now, we all know kids are impressionable and who's going to fall under the spell of Black Metal --- or any really aggressive, angry music form --- more than kids? Teenagers, adolescents, in some cases even younger. People who are very open to suggestion and to some degree take an awful lot literally. So if your hero is Dead, or Euronymous, and they say life is wrong, everyone should worship death and spread evil and misery, how are the kids going to react to that? Oh for certain, the larger percentage will not do anything: most people know, even at that age, that music exists within often the framework of its own fantasy world.
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As far as I'm concerned anyone who is that open to suggestion isn't worth worrying about. Nazism is also a big thing in the black metal scene to this day and dumb kids are still latching onto that. Do we really care about these people? If they wanna off themselves then good riddance.
Besides, if art has to cater to morals then we'd have a pretty limited scope of creativity. If making the world a little more unsafe is the price we have to pay for a more diverse, interesting world then so be it.
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But for the small, perhaps miniscule percentage that believe, truly believe, every word that falls from their idols' mouths, how are they likely to respond? Can we be certain that no Mayhem fan took their own life, or killed someone else, in reaction to what they were told was "the way to be"? Well no of course we can't, and if there were instances they could hardly be traced directly and provable beyond a reasonable doubt back to the utterances of some unhappy rock star. But that's not the point.
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Oh we already know.
Varg Vikernes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Faust (musician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Absurd (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (also a good band to look up if you want to learn about Nazism in black metal)
Jarno Elg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien
There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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