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Originally Posted by Crowquill
While it's true that Black Flag, The Dead Kennedys, and Bad Brains have influences beyond standard rock/hardcore I think it's a little disingenuous to suggest that this is evidence of hardcore being jazz based. They might be what we think of as hardcore staples but most hardcore is formulaic as fuck and the vast majority of it a) sounds the same b) is not jazzy. I would never accuse most eighties hardcore of being complex or particularly eclectic in their influences.
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Well know your right for the most part, but a lot of American hardcore and post hardcore is not based on simplicity.
Speaking for myself, the jazz influence in a band like Black Flag pretty much set the stage for mathcore and hardcore bands using jazz time signatures. There are even some grindcore bands out there that mix jazz into their music.
Of course the other complexity of music in hardcore is post hardcore. I have never been a big fan of Fugazi but they moved far beyond the simple 4/4 of Minor Threat.