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Old 03-13-2014, 10:25 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Kartoffelbrei View Post
bloody interesting, thank you.
i've never analyzed the language i'm talkin all the time as you did
I guess because native speakers learn from infancy, but in most case a person learning a second language learns it as a teenager or an adult, and the rules of pronunciation are taught as well (in most cases) along with simple phrases before one really learns the language.

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The letter is btw called an "sz" (eszett), which kinda explains what it is
it's a mixture between an s and a z. We also call it a "sharp s".
So there are words like "Straße"(street), or "Scheiße"(sh*t), where we use it.
There are also words, that, when I was younger(before 1996), were written with an sz, but now are are written with a double s,
words like "daß" (today it's "dass") or "Kuß" ("Kiss", today it's Kuss)
And to confuse matters for the z isn't a z. The "z" in German sounds like a [ts] e.g. zählen. The "s" in the beginning of a German word sounds like the English pronunciation of z (the vocalized s) e.g. Sie is [zee] - I guess that is the "sharp" s you are talking about. That unvocalized s & "sharp" s goes back to non-vocalize consonants at the end of a word or in this case syllable, and vocalized in the beginning. I find that fascinating because it like a precise adherence to pronunciation rules. In English there are no such rules take "...ough" for instance - tough, cough, breakthrough and furlough don't rhyme. Also the v sounds like an [f] as in Vier the sch is [sh] it isn't equivalent to the English [sk] as in school.
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