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This is for both of you. One of the most notable characteristics of heavy metal is that it is dissonant, and if not dissonant, harsh and aggressive then. The fact that you both like the black album specifically for the harmony is one of the reasons I consider the black album to be barely a heavy metal album.
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This is for one of you
I realize that it isn't that heavy. The only really heavy song is the one you've mentioned. Detracting the other one you mention, though.
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The fact that the black album is considered to be from the same genre as Iron Man by Black Sabbath just baffles me.
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I don't consider the Black Album to be anything like Black Sabbath. Most of the songs that Sabbath put out were very doom laden. There isn't really many of them on the Black Album, but that doesn't detract the way I feel about it. To tell you the truth, Holier Than Thou was pretty good with it's against-bible lyrics. Of Wolf and Man was a dark song, about werewolves, I believe. Wherever I May Roam is pretty dark. None of them are very heavy, no, but the lyrics have similarities to something Black Sabbath might have put out.
But when you are speaking about Sabbath, I mainly see then as classic rock instead of metal. There is no real fastness to much of their songs. A lot the same with the ...And Justice album; compare that one to the first...
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They sound so entirely different (outside of the songs like Sad But True and the Unforgiven, which are the closest representatives of the heavy metal sound from Metallica's previous albums).
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I've been meaning to ask, forgot in another post, but where does this "Unforgiven is the next best heavy song on the album" come from? Not one second of that song is heavy. My fave off the album, being Don't Tread On Me is much heavier that anything from the Unforgiven. I listened to it just in case I was wrong, but I wasn't. What is so heavy about that song...?
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The black album isn't even a good representation of Metallica's earlier material."
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No, it isn't. But I think that there are some heavy elements in it other than Sad But True, detracting the Unforgiven. We just have differing opinions. Not truly that different, because I did agree with you that it was nothing like those that came before it. But that doesn't take away the musicianship for me. No, not at all.
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Xurito even said she doesn't like their earlier material outside of a few songs.
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So? I love the Black Album but it isn't my favorite. My faves are, in this order:
Kill 'Em All
Ride the Lightning
...And Justice
Master of Puppets
Metallica
I do happen to love the rawness of the first album, and I love the rawness of other thrash metal bands. I consider that one my favorite album of all time. Of any genre of music. But that doesn't mean that I cannot like melody from later material. I agree, the Black Album isn't very heavy. Though every album after Kill 'Em All gets less heavy each time I listen to them. Master of Puppets is a great album, but it doesn't have the feel of Kill 'Em All. In ...And Justice? You can hear the sounds of the next album coming through. I don't consider ...And Justice a true thrash metal album. And that didn't distract me from the music. It had none of the signature bass, which I think did it right; I've heard the songs with the bass vamped up in some Youtube vids and it just didn't sound right. Maybe because it's Newsted instead of Burton...?
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It's an entirely different album that I just wish never came into existence.
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I can hear Napoleon Dynamite saying "Oh, get over it. Gawd!" I hated that movie, by the way.
I'm awfully glad that it did come into existence, because I have many different musical tastes and, unless it's incompatible with my tastes, I might like it. And I loved it.
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Michael Jackson's Beat It, is more representative of the heavy metal genre than 90% of the songs from the black album, and I'm being 100% serious with that statement.
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Okay. No comment for me here; it'd turn into a flame war and I am not about to start one of those. So forgive me if I just shake my head.
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Mustiane is really a genius songwriter (less than he thinks about himself, but still great) and his work gets lost in the extreme speed of many of Megadeths' songs. The melody is there, it's just surrounded by intense, aggressive guitar playing.
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Yep, no one turns a screw better than Mustaine, bleep yeah.
I read the lyrics to Rust in Peace and a lot of the stories in it are only half baked ideas. I'm not a big fan of that one. I did, however, enjoy Countdown to Extinction. But I think I need to go back and listen to their albums again.
So far, I agree with the Black Album being the least heavy of the first five. But I don't turn away if they put out different material, just as long as I enjoy it. Too bad for all of you whom do not like it. But, as Dynamite may have said, "Get over it, Gawd!"