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Originally Posted by Frownland
Trollheart, you make me sad.
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I know.
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It can be noise but it is also music.
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See, those two parts of the sentence are mutually exclusive to me, at least if you insert "just" before noise. I used to think Slayer was just noise, but I've grown to see the melody in their music. I genuinely went in with as open a mind as I could with Cryptopsy, but the moment it began I was all "What the **** is this ****? This ain't music!" I don't consider EVERYTHING to be music. I guess it would be nice if I could, like you, but I can't. If I hear raindrops that's not music. It's a nice sound but it's just noise. Now I could play music against it and the raindrops might I don't know, counterpoint the underlying metaphor of the melody, or something, and make sense. But not on their own. Lots of noises are like this to me. The sound of a car on the road, the dog barking in next door's garden, someone coughing up their guts in the street ... these things are not, to me, music.
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I'm going to take it a step further by embracing a Cageian perspective. Music can exist without intent as well. Listening to lines bang on a flagpole while construction across the street clangs and roars while grindy belches tree times is music as well because if someone recorded that as a field recording it would qualify as music to most. So I take the argument that it's a live performance of such. I think viewing the world as a musical landscape opens it up as a place rife with beauty and makes for a more enjoyable experience overall.
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No it isn't. Not to me. The point you may be missing here (or not, maybe I'm misreading) is that not everyone sees the world as you do, and while you're perfectly entitled to hear music in every single sound you hear, I am just as entitled to say I don't. I don't think you're saying I'm not, but it feels a little preachy, which is I'm sure not how you intend it to come off.
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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls
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As for your second point, I know those words as well but from the grindcore I have listened to I would definitely not be able to make the claims you made to Trollheart. As far as I know everything you play on an instrument is a note, correct? So obviously I would recognize they are playing notes but when the notes are put together it makes very little sense to me. You seem to have a much higher comprehension of it than I do.
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Yeah that's pretty much it. I know it is
technically music, cos they're playing instruments (I assume) but it is not any music I recognise as such.
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Originally Posted by Janszoon
Well, I find it hard to believe that you and Trollheart can't recognize patterns in grindcore or math rock, but nevertheless I guess I have to take your word for it. Or maybe you're just being stubborn because you don't enjoy the music. 
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Oh crap! He's on to us!
