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Originally Posted by Ninetales
Ok so there a couple different things being talked about here. So here's where im at on them. Machine, my first post wasn't really directed at you, more on Trollheart as he was trying to hide behind this barrier of "it's my opinion dude". Opinions can absolutely be shitty and his is. In my opinion.
The definition I like for what music is, is one that I think was basically mentioned earlier in this thread (maybe by grindy?). "Music is organized sound in time". It's simple and succinct and while being fairly loose in terms of what it encompasses, it's also not ambiguous. So that wind you heard on the walk home from school is not music, but Night Passage by Alan Lamb is. The heart of Trollheart's argument is based off arbitrary criteria that he personally values (and sometimes even those criteria are apparently misinterpreted to only include what he feels it is; "oh I don't hear melody->no melody=no music->this is not music". It's like saying carrots aren't a vegetable because it's orange, and I think vegetables are only green.
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Music is simply any sound that evokes a feeling in the observer. There are plenty of people who hear the sounds around them, and are especially moved by the ones that don't have order or structure to them. Then again, they must have order and structure to be defined as an existing phenomenon (sound) in the first place. Like I said, "You know it when you hear it", with an emphasis on "you". Half of all music is sound, and the other half is the listener; it takes both to make music, and if one half is estranged from the other, there is no reaction.
Instead of asking which sounds constitute the realm of music, you should understand that all sounds are potential music, should they reach the proper ear.