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Old 10-18-2014, 08:01 PM   #36 (permalink)
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No, not at all. What I'm saying is that NexGen adn DS9 all started out with poorly formed characters who grew and developed as the series progressed. Riker got the pole removed from his hole and relaxed, Deanna gotr rid of the tight bun hairdo and the sense of superiority and began to shine, even Data made more of an effort. Voyager began with poorly formed characters and after seven seasons ended with poorly formed characters. Can you even name one character who changed over --- oh wait. I asked that already. No answer...

I'm not denying some of the acting was woeful --- in all series --- but look at for instance someone like Nog in DS9. Started off as a little "naughty schoolboy" but after his experiences in the battle of whatever-it-was (Arnok Nor?) when he joined Starfleet he became far more mature, and attained real depth as a character. Of course, DS9 had Vic Fontaine, but then you can't have everything. Look at how the relationship developed between Bashir and O'Brien. Initially they hated each other and over time they became the best of friends and really looked out for each other. Nothng like that happened on Voyager. There were few if any proper relationships and, other than the Doctor and Seven, nobody moved the story along or changed in any way. You could look at season one and then go straight to season seven, and other than that everyone had put on a few years there would be no discernible differences in the characters. Contrast that with, for instance, Sisko in season one and Sisko in season seven of DS9, or even bloody Wesley in Nextgen!


My god that was an amazing episode wasn't it? "There are FOUR lights!" Warner is in a class all of his own.

Yeah, Garak brought a sense of fun and cloak-and-dagger to DS9, so much so that when he did something really evil, you were taken aback as you had sort of got used to him as sort of Sisko's pet spy.

Best of the Trek movies, no question.
I've already acknowledged that DS9 was the only series with any serious character development from any large portion of the characters, which is one of the reasons why it is clearly the superior Star Trek series.

And Wrath of Khan is totally overrated. If it wasn't associated with Star Trek it would just be another B-rate sci fi movie that nobody but uber-nerds even remembered (just like pretty much all Star Trek movies).
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