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Originally Posted by Christian Benteke
Could you not apply this to most genres? Including Hip-Hop.
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yea all genres have their influence... i'm saying the format of dude rapping over a beat was what defined hip hop and as far as i know grime is the only other 'genre' so far to have the same exact format.
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No.
& KRS is of Jamaican origin, he was probably influenced by toasting himself like these guys were.
I'm not denying the MC's were influenced by the Americans & Hip-Hop because they clearly were but I've made a point that I'm not talking about the MC's, I don't care about them, they don't make the genre, the Grime producers do. The MC's just vocal whatever is 'in'. That's why they've all fucked off to make Trap now.
When I say Grime, I am referring to the instrumental side which is a legitimate genre in it's own right. You're probably referring to the whole 'scene'. I'd say it's London/UK accented Hip-Hop to a certain extent.
But in terms of the genre, if you think Grime is Rap, by default you should think Dubstep is also.
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alright, fair enough. i hadnt considered that people only listen to it for the beats.
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"Rap is something you do, Hip-Hop is something you live" - KRS-One.
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do i have to dig up a quote of a rapper referring to hip hop music as rap to refute this or are you willing to just let this semantics point drop?
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Lauryn Hill's first record is considered to be Hip-Hop but there is next to no rapping on it. Same for the Incredible Bongo Band's 'Apache'.
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yea there are some weird exceptions/extensions of the genre that really don't seem to fit but overall my point stands.
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Linkin Park's 'In The End' has rapping on it but it is not a Hip-Hop record.
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...right... i wasnt saying rapping isnt also a style of vocals
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There is Hip-Hop on it, Fix Up Look Sharp for example.
It's 90% Grime though.
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i suppose i don't really hear the difference since hip hop has a variety of sounds to it. i'm just wondering how different you have to make a beat before it stops being considered hip hop. like i can think of underground american rap aritsts that sound less similar to most rap music than dizzee rascal does.