grindy

Thanks!
Had already checked those out. Ulver are great, no question about it, have been a fan for years, Woods Of Desolation are too melodic for me, Shining aren't bad, but neither the music nor the vocals really grab me.
Your diagnosis about ABM/DBM seems right. But what I mostly enjoy about Gris and Weakling (and Burzum) are the anguished, almost failing vocals. I'm not that big a fan of "classic" BM vocals.

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