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Old 12-15-2005, 12:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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18. Christians trying to claim that they are victims of discrimination. You gotta laugh at the whole Christian persecution complex with the evangelicals, right now. It's not really considered persecution to not receive special rights, as if you own the country, or are the only ones whose opinions matter. Keeping God out of school and government or not being allowed to place a giant Ten Commandments monument outside a courthouse does not count as discrimination. Discrimination is facing physical violence based off your faith, or being denied work or incidents like those church bombings in Norway. THAT'S religious intolerance. And you still have the right to send your kid to Christian institutions, if you want him to learn your ways. Kids also have the right to private prayer TO THEMSELVES, in school. It's just not public doctrine or anything, and shouldn't be.

God has no place in things like school because, with all the ignorant hatred of other cultures and beliefs prevalent in the US now, and the superiority complex of many "patriotic (pseudo-)Christian Americans", the last thing we need to do is help encourage that way of thinking that they somehow own the nation or are entitled to special consideration. And promote alienation and nonvocal segregation of those who believe different. Which includes not only atheists, but other faiths, too. Yes, "God" can be seen as a universal term, and technically, the 3 "mainline" faiths believe in the same god. But you know that many average Americans are too ignorant to recognize this fact. And in the Christian dominated nation of America, the term "God" is seen as Jesus by default almost, excluding and alienating everyone else.


And it doesn't belong in politics, for obvious reasons:

a) Theres no proof for religion. Politics is about issues that are going on in the real world. Religion is about personal beliefs and stories of creation.

b) What if you had people taking 'sides' in politics because of the religion that party agreed with? That would mean people were elected for totally the wrong reasons.

c) If politics and religion were mixed, you'd get religious morals interfering with laws... Religious morals do have their purposes, but not everyone will follow the same ones. For example, you can't expect an Atheist (say) to comply with Muslim morals, etc.



The Bible and religious morality are things that can be used for either good, or evil, depending upon whose using them. Don't get me wrong. Religious people and institutions have done a lot of good in poor communities and such, but MAN has selectively and hypocritically quoted the "Good Book" (which is very based on personal interpretation) and misused his faith for evil purposes or to justify evil things a lot through history. The oppression of blacks and slavery, the oppression of women, anti-Semitism and overall religious intolerance, homophobia, genocide, war, animal sacrifices, book burnings and censorship, the Crusades, the list goes on. The Bible can be interpreted to support or attack all kinds of things, if you want to pick out certain scriptures to that means. It seems that ***s, atheists, and Muslims are the top targets nowadays in the United States. And the Churches are irresponsible for not only failing to condemn self-righteous hypocrisy and hatred among it's "faithful", but oftentimes even encouraging it. Point being in all this, though, that somewhere along the line, most logical rational human beings should be able to think and differentiate the bull**** from the positive messages and what's important and not simply take the Church's words as blind authority, without question.

Christian is NOT necessarily synonymous with morality. That myth needs to stop. I've known both some very cool and some very ****headed Christians and atheists. The funny thing about some of these more conservative churchgoers is that their so-called morality is very fake. For example, they may care about poor people if their churchis doing a food drive for the poor, but forget about them or be snotty the rest of the year. Or only extend their virtues to you, if you believe as they do. It's more of a snobby, stuck up dog and pony show with these types.

HOWEVER, I do think that atheists or liberal types who are needlessly oversensitive to any display of religion or who unfairly judge all religious people are just as bad. It's just that anything they may try to do is for mutual benefit of society, not just to benefit one group. The atheists are not the ones trying to influence the government and forcefeed us their beliefs through every outlet available to "save us". I do think the religious side is right about people being overly sensitive about the Christmas thing.


And don't even go to the arguement that "separation of Church and state is a lie". Either way, I don't care. If the Constitution said "******s ain't people and are 2nd class citizens", would we take that seriously? No, most logical intelligent people would realize that there obviously needed to be some kind of Amendment.

Basically, the nation belongs to EVERY (keyword here) redblooded American. Not just those of Christian persuasion. PERIOD. So, quit whining about preferential treatment. You know NOTHING of REAL discrimination.

19. I'm not racist just because I don't support illegal immigration. The whole border thing has gone out of control. My opinions are based on respect for the laws that were put there for a reason. Our social security has been ****ed to hell. This is one of the key factors that helped bring this about. Not to mention that, if went unchecked, overpopulation could be a huge problem. Not to sound selfish, but we have enough poor of our own to worry about of many races. We can't just let tota chaos run amuck. I'm all for LEGAL immigration. One of the prime strengths of this nation is it's diversity and blend of many different cultures and people. Even other Mexicans have admitted the following. the difference between Mexican immigrants and others is that most others move here to settle down &/or be a part of society. Many Mexican immigrants just see the country as a giant ATM with a revolving door. I do not blame them for this, since in their shoes, I'd do the same exact thing without a second's hesitation, to provide for my loved ones. It's the government's job to enforce the borders.

I'm against illegal immigration, even if it's poor white European immigrants. So don't hand me the racist bull****. I didn't pick out Mexicans. Because of the border thing, they just have more aliens here than other immigrant groups.

I also think that Americans need to learn more languages. And I'd be all for teaching kids Spanish and trying to teach more kids to grow up to be versed in one or more other tongues. However, until the percentage of Mexican immigrants here that came here are illegally drops, I don't think that we should treat the group, as a whole, as the "second highest minority". The ones who came here legally have the same rights as everyone else, but changing society to mold to this group right now, is not something that we should be doing with the current situation being as it is.
Yes, they have as much right to be here as anyone else. And I'm aware that white people didn't really own this land, when they stole it way back. But, that was ancient history. If you wanna harp on it, let's all goback to Europe, Africa, or wherever and give the land back to the Native Americans. No? Unrealistic? So, let's concentrate on here and now then. The English language is something that is no longer a white thing. Many black Americans and minority Americans grew up speaking it, too. Also, English is the international business language and the tongue that most legal immigrants learn to try and fit in when moving here. It is the common language spoken by most of our modern media and businesses dealing with customer relations. If they can get by without knowing it, fine. However, I think it should be pushed more for them to learn English than the other way around. More of a cultural exchange.
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