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Originally Posted by Dylstew
It grew out of Beatdown Hardcore/New York Hardcore and now sounds different, but I think it still fits Punk better than just being a separate rock genre altogether.
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The Menzingers play pop punk but it doesn't sound like the Ramones, buzzcocks or early Undertones. Neither does Morning Glory.
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Hardcore has interbred so much with metal since the late 80s that I feel like it is pretty far removed from punk at this point. And it's own subgenres, like grindcore and powerviolence, are
really far removed from punk.