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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty
Bull****.
Music is the best it has ever been. This dude is as much of a mainstream yuppie as the people's he's talking **** about. He's literally on this huge label talking about mainstream label *******s.
People who say this is the worst time for music are ignorant as ****, or they are old and bitter because their studio / label slave version of rock isn't viable anymore There's literally a DIY revolution happening where people don't need these labels anymore if they push themselves hard enough. Artists like Ani DiFranco, Pretty Lights, The Knife, I could go on and on. That dude is so full of ****.
Not to mention the hardcore pretentious claim that people stole that guitar sound from them.
1.) They didn't even invent that sound, so he's literally taking credit for it and calling other people derivative when they are equally derivative. Didn't come up with it. Don't take credit for it. Don't bitch when people replicate it.
2.) If you are so concerned with being "copied", maybe you should try being more creative and being less easily copied.
Let's take two influential artists -- Bjork, and The Knife.
Bjork is easily one of the most influential artists in contemporary music. From single-handedly inventing Dance Pop to putting glitch sounds on the map, to molding orchestral, organic sounds and samples with electronic aesthetics. Bjork's legacy is impossible to deny. Her influence is incredible, both in the mainstream and the alternative / experimental scene. I can't think of a single artist that sounds like Bjork, because noone CAN sound like Bjork.
Now let's look at The Knife. Totally revitalized synthpop and put dark, moody electronic pop with dance elements back on the map in 2004-2006. Pretty much revolutionary use of pitch shifting on the vocals.
What are we hearing so much of now adays? dark, moody electronic pop with dance elements and pitch shifted / detuned vocals. None of them managed to replicate what The Knife did, but the influence was annoyingly evident, so what did they do? Instead of becoming bitter parodies of themselves and bitching about the "state of the music industry", they adapted, and turned the entire genre on it's head, once again, with Shaking the Habitual, incorporating drone and noise and linear, harsh, tribal dance songs, soundscapes. They went from dark and electronic -- ethereal and subdued to bright as **** and booming, intense, vivid experimental dance music.
This dude is bitter, old, and out of touch. He was never unique to begin with. He's claiming ownership of a style of music, which is immature, especially since it's a style of music he didn't even invent. I'm starting to see a lot of post grunge, washed out 40 somethings who are talking about 'the state of the industry', but what they fail to realize is that there is an entirely new industry happening right under their nose. They are just too washed up and tired to get on board.
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Not a bad post man. But I think you might be misunderstanding some of the things he says about the state of music. Do you really think that all of that Pop music that's so popular right now is really that great and deserves a lot of the praise it gets? It's not just Pop, but Rock too. Ton of Rock bands around now that are still largely new that are just so void of anything innovative or that has grit or depth to it. It's irritating.
You comment on his claim that bands stole the guitar sound Filter had in their hay day, as bullsh*t. Filter has been around since the early 90's. One of the groups biggest influence is Ministry. That tone you hear in Filter's music is largely borrowed from Ministry, just like with Nine Inch Nails. They've got their own spin on it, and my opinion is that Filter did it in a way that didn't come off to me as a completely ripped off tone, but more they built on the idea of it to make it something they could mold and fit to the kind of music Filter plays. Richard isn't just saying bands stole Filter's guitar sound for no reason. Because there are actually bands out their that have attempted to mimic Filter's sound which is more or less its own thing, still even today. You can't lump Filter in as unoriginal just because other bands sound like them, because it's a fact that the bands that are unoriginal, or the ones copying the sound Filter has. Filter didn't pioneer it, but they sure as hell were one of the bands that were around at the start of it before every other band that wanted a sound like that, ripped it off.
I agree on the view that the music we have today is much less inspired, it's less bold, it's largely marketed with a 'safe' sound when it's mainstream or commercial. Richard has a point when he mentions how a lot of bands like Filter, or bands in general that are a Rock band or any sort of variant of it, come around with some song that's got a lot of grit to it, that's holds no punches, that's bold and in your face...it sort of gets ignored because these days people don't want to hear that kind of music, they want safe, nice sounding music, music like what's hot on the top 40 or played the hell out of on the radio. Let's see a radio station play the song Jurassitol by Filter, you won't because it's not painting a pretty picture and it's also not the 90's anymore when bands like Filter and Nine Inch Nails were popular. It's sad man. It's like nobody in a lot of the genre's there are want to write about anything worth talking about; has to be about sex, has to be about wealth, has to be about fame, has to be about drugs if you want it to get airplay. That sh*t was big in the 80's, but compared to now in my opinion, even those cheesy hair bands were writing better music than this bubblegum pop people eat up like gold.
I strongly believe more effort should start being important to have in today's music. Because I don't hear much effort in a lot of it because these days, little effort is needed. If you sound like One Direction or Kanye West, Katy Perry, you're good, you'll sell out stadiums and have number one hits lined up for years. I feel that those artists don't appreciate the art of music, or music in general. They're in it, they're doing it, they'll talk about how much they love music. But the music they produce tells me something different.
Also. Richard is not bitter because his band isn't as relevant anymore. He's bitter because music that is built from the ground up isn't really appreciated anymore. People don't seem to care. He wants to see that back in the music scene, recognized. I think he made that pretty clear haha. He's also not claiming ownership of a genre either. I think you might be completely missing what he's actually saying. And if I were Richard or one of those supposed washed up 40 somethings from thirty years ago or so, I wouldn't want to conform to this new industry you speak of either, because what I've heard from it so far is exactly the bland, uninspired music Richard is talking about in the interview.
And really man. He makes valid points.