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No I was being nice at first and I transitioned slowly into being mean whilst CN, bit by bit, began losing his mind.
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Your first post came across as combative. I've said that already, so how you can call that nice is a mystery to me. You leapt in with both boots, ready to fight and to take on anyone who disagreed with you.
Like I say, your VERY FIRST WORD was literally bull****. Here it is quoted if you don' remember.
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Bull****.
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Then you go on to say this:
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Music is the best it has ever been. This dude is as much of a mainstream yuppie as the people's he's talking **** about. He's literally on this huge label talking about mainstream label *******s.
People who say this is the worst time for music are ignorant as ****, or they are old and bitter because their studio / label slave version of rock isn't viable anymore There's literally a DIY revolution happening where people don't need these labels anymore if they push themselves hard enough.
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I didn't say it
was bull, as in it made no sense: I said it literally was the word you used to begin your reply, as shown above.
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I'm genuinely confused cause I reread it like 5 times before I posted because I knew how sensitive he was and I wanted to make sure it wasn't rude and he even said himself it was a good post so I'd like an explanation for that pls.
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It's the tone. You begin a post with the word bull and then go on to use a lot of expletives it's pretty obvious you're angry/upset and het up about the subject.
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And the second post was me saying that every generation has crappy bubblegum crap and that the top 40 is irrelevant and static and that he should stop focusing on it so I don't know how that is a tirade. You're gonna have to specify tbh.
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I don't believe I specifically referred to your second post? Nobody's saying you didn't make good points. Nobody, in fact, is even disagreeing with you about electronic music, just the way you're pushing your opinion as if it were fact.
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Specify when I said that pls.
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I'm going to snip most of this because I can't go through the whole thread picking up points and anyway I wasn't even involved in this till you decided to have a go at me over Waits, when all I did was post the video and reference it. Right, so:
You used the words "your dude rock scene" or somesuch, implying CN listened to all that sort of stuff and shouldn't. Now that may have been a generic "your", as in, "your basic person does this" or whatever, but it did not come across like that. You then jumped on him for mentioning Katy Perry, which he did once, and implying he was a fan (not that there's anything wrong with that) which I don't think he is.
However, the fact that you now admit you don't like the guy and are/were trolling him makes much of the rest of the discussion I was going to have with you totally irrelevant, so let's skip to me.
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Because we were talking about the validity of electronic music and you come in talking about something that was used with almost no technology (albeit misinformation, there is clearly a great of production in the video you linked) and in that moment I remembered when you said that you didn't regard noise music as music and it seemed irrelevant because I don't think anyone has, or ever will, discredit like.. orchestral classical music for example.
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This I don't understand. Electronic or not, there had been a thread going through the conversation that in order to make music you did not necessarily need computers, software and doodads, just talent, and I proposed Waits's song as an example of that. Of course there's tech there, but not much that I can see: the song survives on its atmosphere and the paranoia the lyric describes. Similarly, I could have posted "Pasties and a g-string" which has only percussion, or "Step right up" which is all bass. The point remains: while some people are undoubtedly talented in creating electronic music (as demonstrated with the JMJ clip, which I notice you ignored) others can create it with very little in the way of tech.
Now you're talking about noise rock. Odd. I believe I said experimental, avant-garde music like Frownland does is not something I understand, and I certainly said I don't regard grindcore as music. But I'm not sure why that is relevant really? Is it because I said I would not put down any genre and this seems to contradict that? Well it doesn't: I, personally, don't view it as music but understand others do, the same way as some electronic music leaves me cold, but I know it's popular. Not entirely sure what orchestral classical music has to do with it either.
Anyhoo, the whole point is that your reaction from the start has been sharp, dismissive and argumentative, even if you don't see it that way. I'm not really interested; I think I complimented your music so I'm not sure why you think I have a problem with you, but your attitude certainly from this thread needs to improve and cool down or people are going to start responding in kind. To say you feel someone is an ******* and will start trolling him without real reason is to me a waste of your time, his and that of anyone else reading or participating in the thread. Surely you have better things to do? I certainly know I have.