I quite like the dimmu stuff, new and old.. i have to agree though that they have strayed from typical black metal, but between that and goth metal id still put them under black metal, probably symphonic black metal.. but i dont really think they could be put under goth metal, but i have a big lack of knowledge when it comes to goth metal, id say goth-metal was stuff like nightwish/within temptation and i dont think dimmu have gone quite that far yet, they do still keep some black metal elements
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