Today, I'd say it's more prominent to consider DKs, Black Flag and Circle Jerks hardcore punk, which I tend to agree with. I think of post-punk as being not as abrasive as punk, usually the guitars aren't as loud, constant, or distorted. Post-punk, to me at least, borrows a lot from spacier and groovier genres like psychedelic rock, funk, afrobeat, etc. so I tend to think of Devo's first album, Talking Heads, The Cure, The Clash from London Calling forward, and Joy Division.
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