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To address your last point, there are many views of morality, which is why I asked Elph about his. We can go round and round about this, but I tend to favor the side of Harris/Dillahunty, which basically equates morality to well being, which is not subjective.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the order goes: Justification -> Moral determination -> Action.

Elph seems to view morality as subjective as well and thinks it can be changed on a whim depending on the circumstances of an individual.. If I'm wrong, correct me. I'm glad I had this conversation though, because its consistent with the positions he tends to take, and it helps me understand the thought process behind the wall I get sick of talking to. Still don't agree with him.

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