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Originally Posted by elphenor
idk most of everything sucks
but genre defining punk bands did indeed live up to the ethos
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I don't equate not living up to the original punk ethos with sucking though. You can make good music even if you don't really live and breathe the whole counter establishment thing. Most genres don't even have an ethos that goes before the music.
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Originally Posted by elphenor
it's literally the difference between punk and "pop punk"
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oh, you added a bit. I don't know. To me, "pop punk" is more of a stylistic thing. Cleaner production, poppier hooks and less edge.
Although it probably always/mostly goes hand in hand with a not very punk "attitude".