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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre
I thought the scarlet cape or what ever where he was a failing comedian and he falls into toxic waste was canon. And he goes crazy when he sees his reflection. Or is that the one where he says it's not canon.
Edit: Either way, I don't think this movie will be canon for anything with how inconsistent they are with world building. Kinda how they're going to treat Venom and the last two Spiderman movie universes.
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The failed comedian thing is what is considered kinda sorta canon because it was the origin story by exactly the idea I was talking about in The Killing Joke. The Killing Joke specifically told that story. The "scarlet cape" was specifically The Red Hood origin wherein gangsters had some random patsy they'd give a red helmet and make him the ring leader but actually have the person be the guy who was supposed to take the fall. The character who would become the Joker was one of these people, a failed comedian who took the job to provide for his wife who was newly with child but was told just before the job had died in a freak accident with a toaster or something (reinforcing his idea of the world being chaos nonsense). Then he did the job and fell in a chemical vat that turned him into the Joker.
This story was also what I was talking about where he remembered this past but also revealed that this story was simply one in any number of possible pasts that he might remember at any time which might be just as feasible or be a complete fiction.
The reason this story was kinda sorta accepted as canon was simply because the story which that story revolved around has generally been considered to be the definitive Joker story, not because the origin story itself is important.
The Joker may or may not be a failed comedian. It doesn't matter. And the kinda sorta acceptance of this narrative is garbage and should be discarded as should any Joker origin story. The Joker shouldn't have an origin, and that aspect of The Killing Joke is the weakest aspect of that story and I imagine the writer would agree with me.