Originally Posted by windsock

Most of the criticism aimed at Mudvayne generally boils down to "they're cheesy/their presentation is cringy and lame" but these same people will say Slipknot is great which is hilariously hypocritical. Creatively and talented wise they were on-par with and much of the time rungs above even Deftones, the internet hipster's favorite nu-metal band.

And seriously, Martinie is one of metal's best bassist. Even RYM troglodytes know that.

Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.