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Originally Posted by 66Sexy
I'm honestly curious just how much of European relative non-****tiness is made possible by the exploitation of the third world by American imperialism helped along by bigger EU nations like Germany and England. I doubt they're immune to the zero sum game of what we do to the rest of the world and yet they prosper. And the amount of money going into America is a large part of why our democracy is going to hell.
I might just be presumptuous but I can't help but suspect things aren't as picturesque as they kinda sorta seem in certain parts on the other side of the pond.
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^ Yes, The European nations are guilty of terrible exploitation of third world countries - you don't even need to put America in the equation to accuse them of that systematic historic exploitation. I mentioned Europe in defense of OH's suggestion that America was evidence enough to condemn Democracy in general.
And yes, plenty to complain about in Full Democracy countries, but my feeling is that the democratic model is the best way to deliver the greatest good to the greatest number, with stuff like healthcare, human rights, etc.
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You mean how we pay poor Pacific countries, with little to no source of income besides selling fishing rights to the West and Japan, to bomb part of what little landmass they actually have (these countries being made of collections of tiny tiny tiny coral atolls that generally don't even have arable land) and if the fallout ends up giving a few fishermen cancer then phfffffffffft they're not Americans and nobody really knows what even goes on over there anyway.
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^ As I said myself, terrible in hindsight. I'm alarmed at the damage that has been done to the environment by developed nations, hence that Watchdog thread. Both nationally and internationally it is usually the rich people damaging the environment of the poor people and that's disgraceful.
I guess the point I was making was the lesser one that we should make some allowance for historical context and be careful about condemning decisions in the past on the basis of today's standards/knowledge. In that Cold War era there was genuine fear that Russia might launch a nuclear attack on the US and the true damage of nuclear fallout was barely understood.