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Originally Posted by Don
I have a feeling I pity you a lot more. Random rubbish? Each DT album has a completely different theme...oh wait, you're joking, oops.
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Dont kid yourself, im dead serious...Yes have made the transition from Pyschedelic Rock to Prog to New Wave to Pop and back to Prog again...And they always remained successful, and like many great bands they have endured some really bad times and still managed to come back on top, plus they have influenced bands as disperate as ELP, Rush, Queen, Iron Maiden, Janes Addiction, Primus, Muse, Mars Volta and Red Hot Chili Peppers and even Led Zeppelin has called Yes a influence on their 70s work, you can hear a lot of it on their
Houses Of The Holy album and tracks like
Battle Of Evermore, also band members have contributed for other great artists like David Bowie, Black Sabbath, King Crimson, Queen, Tangerine Dream, Badfinger, Cat Stevens, John Lennon and Elton John...Yes pretty much brought progressive rock to the spotlight in the early 70s, their importance to the genre is only matched by King Crimson and argubly Pink Floyd...And DT?...Whats their legacy?...Going from wanky prog metal to wankier prog metal to super wankier prog metal to super duper wankier prog metal?...Wow, thats diversity.
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Originally Posted by Don
Yeah that's why I said it, but in all honesty I don't find any DT solo to be wank, because they put their heart into it and you can feel how much power they convey with each note. And with the intro session in CTTE, to me it's like they don't really care what notes they are playing.
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Another very hypocritical statement, have you read the album sleeve to
Close To The Edge?...The band knew exactly what they were doing and made it pretty clear, they were going for a very trippy, out of this world kind of experience, and they succeded...I dont think Petrucci has ever really summed up what DT were about, at least while being completely honest...The truth is Dream Theaters music never has a direction, at least Yes know the meaning of the word
Try.
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Originally Posted by Don
If by focus and ambitious you mean boring **** and pointless wank, then ok. I love around 90% of DT's tracks, and I think Awake is the only below average album, but you said Yes made 2 or 3 bad ones?? rofl, you just walked right into that one.
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The only truely horrible album Yes did was
Talk...
Union and
Open Your Eyes were mediocre but they still had their moments...Tormato wasnt great but nowhere near as bad as some critics make it out to be...And you are wrong,
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence and
Train Of Thought were boring pieces of crap, also.
Magification >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Octavarium.
I would rather listen to
The Ladder than anything from DT, and thats one of my least favorite Yes albums.
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Originally Posted by Don
Wtf? Argue with you? This is the so called 'argument:'
You - "I like Yes and dislike DT, and DT are even suckier 'cause Yes are their influences."
Me - "Oh yeah, well I like DT and dislike Yes and I don't care about influences because it's immaterial when it comes to taste."
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But its still not worth arguing that Yes are a way more original and important band than Dream Theater could ever be.
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Originally Posted by Don
What a fantastic argument you got going there.
I find it almost hysterical that you said "Yes are better than DT in every way, except maybe technical skill, but to hell with technical skill," because you're arguing about everything you can't measure except technical ability, and we both agree DT are better in that department! rofl.
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No i said maybe for a reason...Rick Wakeman and Tony Kaye are both better than Jordan Rudess, and they have worked with more musicians than i can count...Bill Bruford is better than Mike Portnoy and thats not even worth arguing...I wont deny that Petrucci is more technicaly skilled than Steve Howe, but i have never heard a riff from him that was half as good as the one in
Siberian Khatru, and Howe can still play solos that are off the wall,
Soundchaser and
Yours Is No Disgrace for example, plus he has a great tone variety, Petrucci's tones can be so bland, i also consider Tony Banks and Trevor Rabin to be more interesting guitar players than Petrucci...And John Myung and Chris Squire are close skillwise, Myung might have the edge, but as far as greatness is concerned he is nothing compared to Squire, Squire is one of the most innovative and important bass players of the past 30 years, his individual influence far exceeds that of every other Yes member, Myung is but a mere mortal in comparison...Plus every Yes song (even the bad ones) has a interesting bassline, i cant say the same for Dream Theater...Also Jon Anderson and Trevor Horn are both better singers than James Labrie, hell Steve Howe is a better singer than Labrie and hes horrible.
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Originally Posted by Don
I find even Pertucci's worst solos to be better than any of that crap you mentioned. And you don't find Myung's bass lines to be 'spellbinding' or interesting? That's fine, but don't try and say that “Roundabout” is any good in comparison and keep a straight face at the same time.
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Its a great bassline, basslines like that were unheard of back in those days, its not super technical like many of Myungs lines, but its still more interesting than anything from DT...His bass playing on
Yours Is No Disgrace,
Heart Of The Sunrise,
The Fish,
America and
Close To The Edge is godly, those performances are not just something anyone can pull off.
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Originally Posted by Don
As for Rudess and simple and gorgeous, I think his work in "One Last Time," is probably the best example there, and unlike your examples, it doesn't send me into a fit and rage because of its lameness.
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You think Wakemans keys on
South Side Of The Sky and
Roundabout are lame?...Pathetic....Listen to
Hunky Dory with David Bowie, Wakeman is a virtuoso keyboardist.
Yes can make a song thats over 20 minutes long and still keep me interested until the end, DT could make a 6 minute song and i would fall asleep midway through, thats how boring they are...And as far as songwriting is concerned, Dream Theater could never ever make a song as catchy and creative as
I've Seen All Good People.