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Originally Posted by grindy
So free will is a meaningless and unnecessary concept. We could also just talk about consciousness
Even if the universe is not predetermined and there is randomness, for example due to quantum mechanics, this doesn't imply free will. Then we are just slaves to chance instead of predetermination.
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Free will is the ability to choose. It's not meaningless.
I already made that point about quantum mechanics having nothing to do with free will. Just simply stating that they contradict predetermination that you lean on as evidence for the lack of free will.
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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky
What do you mean "sets us apart"? How does it set us apart? It's just another thing.
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I mean it's what makes us different from pool balls. Or any inanimate object. They are not conscious regardless of being other things. Not hard to understand, Batlord. I'm not a ****ing genius, my words aren't that complex.
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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky
A Christian argument.
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No, because it's not relying on ignorance as proof and it's not avoiding the point with condescending statements like 'you just aren't there yet'.
It's evidence of randomness in the universe that directly contradicts predetermination.