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Originally Posted by jwb
Sorry but this defense is complete utter nonsense. First of all, he knew Biden would likely be running. Everybody did. Acting like it couldn't possibly be political before Biden announced is at best naive and at worst dishonest.
Second, the Ukraine hacking the DNC instead instead of Russia is a piece of Russian propaganda. The motives don't line up at all. The hacks were clearly designed to hurt Hilary. Yet Trump takes the Kremlin at his word that Russia didn't interfere. But for some reason Ukrainian corruption is the issue. And not all corruption. Just Biden's son. Yea, nothing personal or political about that.
Third, cooperating with Ukraine to get them to investigate Biden as "punishment" for the govt supposedly hacking our elections makes 0 sense.
If Ukraine did something that he legit thought needed "punishing"there are official channels for doing so. If he really thought there was a worthwhile investigating to carry out on the Biden's that was not personal or political but based on US strategic interests and national security, there are official channels for doing so.
Instead he sent his goons and worked through back channels. You don't associate with a guy like Lev Parnas unless you are doing some dirt. You don't send your personal lawyer to do the work of the justice dept. And you don't keep everyone else in govt in the dark in the meantime, unless once again you're doing something shady.
People from the OMB have said the freeze on the aid is clearly illegal. Bolton called the whole thing a drug deal in a text message that was released in the transcripts, which he didn't even intend for public consumption. And there have been various others who reportedly sounded the alarm during the whole transaction that they were concerned they were doing something illegal.
As soon as Trump got caught, he released the aid. He claimed not to know Lev Parnas after he got nabbed, now there audio of him ordering Parnas to get rid of the ambassador. He's used to surrounding himself with criminals but they have always fallen on their sword in the past. He finally found one that would stab him in the back after being stabbed in the back himself. Everything points to not only that he's guilty but that he knows it and has acted as such from the beginning. I would honestly respect the Republicans more if that just said yes he's guilty but we got the votes so **** off
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Eh?
1. I'm not talking about any kind of hacking. The DNC paid third party consultants to investigate Paul Manafort with the express purpose of digging up dirt on the Trump campaign. They also, along with some Never-Trumper Republicans, were responsible for paying Fusion GPS to compile the infamous dossier. Both of these activities constitute actual election meddling and make all this outrage at Trump's Ukrainian phone call more than a little funny. I don't recall anyone going to prison, being arrested, removed from office or getting in trouble over that, otherwise you would have already known what I was talking about.
That's why I've said before that impeachment has to be more than a political process. Telling America "there's nothing to see here" in regards to Joe and Hunter Biden isn't a compelling message. They could have focused in on potential conflicts of interest related to his businesses, profiting from the Presidency, his taxes, countless other things....and they chose Ukraine of all things as the hill they wanted to die on.
2. John Solomon already made a good case for why the Bidens should be investigated. There's a wonderful timeline going back to 2014, fully documented. Especially in regards to Burisma around 2016.
Ukraine Timeline 2014-2019
3. At the time and date Parnas mentioned, there was no way Trump or anyone else could have known Biden was going to run. Zero. Trump's motivations for looking into the Bidens, Burisma, CrowdStrike and Ukraine itsself are based around what I've outlined in points 1 and 2. Joe Biden didn't even make it known he was going to run until late March 2019. Is he psychic?