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The DNC aren't a government entity, an extension of the Justice Department, or anything of the sort. What they did was clearly illegal. At least if you are telling me that what Giuliani did was wrong.
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I'm not even defending the DNC really but what Giuliani did was wrong not because he was seeking dirt on a rival but because he was helping abuse the power of the office of the president to do so.
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Secondly, if you actually dive into the specifics of the timeline regarding the aid, it's been documented that over half of it was actually released to them on July 31st (to the tune of around 125 million), The second half of it, which was called Tranche 2, was released on September 12th. So was anything actually "held up" or did the media just run with the story based on hearsay from a lot of people who didn't actually know?
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you mean hearsay from people on Trump's team and in the OMB? Now you're denying the aid was even held up??
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So are you saying that utilizing third parties to gather dirt on your behalf is an impeachable offense and but not illegal?
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If you abuse the power your office grants you to dig up the dirt, it can be both impeachable and illegal.
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However, Russia has already been punished by the Trump administration with nastier sanctions (among other things). If your curious about some of those specifics, Noam Chomsky has been interviewed a few times on the subject and talks extensively about it.
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Why would they punish them if the Russia thing is a big hoax like Trump claims?
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The DNC digging around in Ukraine and Hunter Biden / Joe Biden using Burisma as a way to launder government money back into the U.S. are separate incidents that occurred in the same general window of time.
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So why would Biden be an "obvious" place to exact revenge for their supposed meddling? Wouldn't you start with the people directly responsible and branch out from there? Seems like you are bending over backwards rationalize how Trump could be innocent.
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Nobody in early 2018 knew if he was actually going to run or not. There was a CNN poll in late 2017 where people were asked how they felt about him as a potential candidate, but it got mixed results. At the same timeframe your talking about, Trump was tweeting about Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz and his potential presidential run.
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If you don't think Biden was on Trump's radar as a very likely (probably the most likely) political opponent even back in 2018 you're crazy. Whether he could be 100% certain is honestly besides the point.