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Old 07-20-2020, 05:11 PM   #6890 (permalink)
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Oh I definitely finished it. I liked it just not 100% balls to the wall. I probably needed to concentrate on it more than I did to get as much as you did out of it.
It's funny actually. The first time I read it in middle school I was someone who today would be totally at risk of becoming a gamergate MAGA fascist. I totally dug it as a schematic for building a better society and I was all about giving the vote only to veterans cause it sounded cool. Then after high school when I dropped that **** and having mostly the movie in my mind I decided that I'd misread the book and was a fool to mistake what the book was actually trying to say.

Then I reread the book recently and realized I'd read it kinda right the first time. It was expressing more nuanced ideas than I was capable of understanding back in the day but ultimately was still praising the experience of military service even if it wasn't explicitly praising fascism. And honestly I still haven't quite wrapped my head around exactly what it's saying cause I suspect that Heinlein is a weird ****ing guy who has anti-authoritarian ideas but still values his experience in the military and is possibly too wild in the head to parse it all himself.

I will say that it's potentially as dangerous a book as Atlas Shrugged though. If I ever have a kid I won't be comfortable with them reading it without talking to them about their ideas about it.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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