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Old 08-22-2020, 06:54 PM   #7307 (permalink)
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It's not dishonest, I see him as thinking my willingness to work with the reality on the ground is somehow beneath his. I think the same thing of you.

I've worked on three campaigns in my life. I work for a clean energy group now that lobbies against utilities, fossil fuels, and for things like rate-payer funded solar farms, emissions taxes, and the elemination of peaker plants.

I work within the framework that is. I don't hope for a reality that isn't. I don't assume I matter in the grand scheme of things. It takes groups to come together and push for things. But I'm not going to not vote just because Biden isn't the candidate I want. I vote for Biden, I go back to asking for what I want, in the areas I think are important.

If you don't like that, I guess I'll just have to lose some sleep over it.
Come on though do you not see corporate money as a hurdle you simply can not overcome? They can literally pay people to muddy the waters so that the hoi polloi don't know who to believe and if they don't know what to believe they'll just go with whatever option keeps the status quo they're comfortable with going.

Honestly the only reasonable option is probably waiting until global warming destroys the economy and devastates populations, and then forming a coalition of the working class who finally have no choice whatsoever but to accept that the neoliberal world order was intentionally operating in such a way that they would maximize profits at the expense of essentially the apocalypse that is now destroying the populace's way of life before their very eyes.

I simply do not see any option where we minimize losses and everything just kinda works out, and I definitely don't see an option where the working classes wake up before the worst happens. And the end result will probably be a dark age of guillotines and chaos.
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