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Old 09-08-2021, 02:44 AM   #3981 (permalink)
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Also, since when is the liberal left suspicious of governing institutions? Weren't commies all about big government and nationalization and state run companies and the like and it's actually the libertarians who are the suspicious types?
Yes and no. Centralization and nationalization have indeed been central to most socialist* visions and projects, but there's usually the recognition that while the state is run by capitalists, its institutions are capitalist institutions and hence corrupt. It is more or less in this sense that Marx was hailed as one of the great "masters of suspicion" (alongside Freud and Nietzsche): he taught us to see social relations as defined by exploitation, domination, profit etc.

Once said institutions, the story goes, are liberated through revolution and become property of the people, then they are redeemed. But not yet.

Naturally, after the disasters in Eastern Europe and China, greater and greater portions of the left have abandoned the dream of a revolution that would overthrow capitalism and moved on to work on some localized projects while accepting the confines of the capitalist state.

The left after 2008, esp in the US, is a pretty weird creature though.

*In the US liberals and left overlap or are synonymous but in France for instance liberal means the pro-capital center-right. Historically, liberals and radicals are different groups with different goals.


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So your field is humanities and you are not a leftie? Weird.
Tbh I no longer know
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