Originally Posted by Raime

This is just saber rattling. Putin isn't an idiot, he's pretty good at gauging when to be aggressive, and pull back and wait. I'd be very surprised if this led to an actual armed conflict between the US and Russia to be honest. Ukraine wouldn't even be accepted as a NATO member for at least another decade or two because of the amount of corruption in their government, even Biden has said so. As much as I dislike Putin as a leader, he's far more cunning than a lot of Western leaders I feel like.

Originally Posted by jwb

A middle class job sounds like a boring menu option at a brothel