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**Marie Monday** · 06-26-2022, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Yes, Celladorina, there are so many potential horror-story scenarios that could come out of this Supreme Court ruling. I have been moved by female presenters on tv, explaining how their own daughters have been telephoning them in tears or in fury. That's not a common, across-the-board reaction to any legal decision; families weeping and consoling each other like that.

Interesting idea about the white breeding program! Luckily, I suspect the sentence in bold won't happen. I think Europe, and the world, has grown out of its post-war America worship and will see the US as what it is on this issue: a weird anomaly among developed countries.
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You argue your point very well, Batlord. I'm not an expert either in politics or US political history, but two things I would question are:-
i) While "the egalitarianism of the left" is surely a worthy goal, I don't see much evidence of socialism working well in the world, or of existing as a political force in the USA, so it is something of a hypothetical.
ii) Dreaming big about big changes is important in its way, but working from what there is in the US today, this looks to me like a great thing to strive for too:-

Isn't this the kind of system that European countries have been fine-tuning for decades? Haven't they built longer-enduring, fairer societies by that approach than countries that have embraced socialism?

So pretty much as rubber soul says:-

I also share your attitude here, Batlord:-

I think we've been round this carousel of differing opinions before, so I would be happy to move along any time that you are ready to.

Except those European countries are still the most socialist countries we have. And the socialist aspects work, but these countries are far from ideal and capitalism certainly has a big role in that. Countries like Russia or China or all the other countries that have been used as 'socialism bad' examples were never truly socialist, and also consider the difference between socialism and communism.