Well I just wanted to throw my 2cents in in this topic- I think whoever said that punk is hippies + violence is really trying to say that in the late seventies, they were both doing drugs and experimenting with music, I don't know who they think is particularly "violent", and in reality punk was a REACTION TO the hippie music- the long drawn out solos and never ending songs of the seventies were pissing them off, so they started a movement of fast, short, power-punched songs.
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