i agree with you that there are amzing muscians in punk (i.e. the minutemen, jello, sturg, refused, ect.) but they are over shadowed by bad punk bands like rancid. i dont even consider them punk. punk is supposed to be undergound and unsigned but no one listens to those bands. i post underground bands all the time and no one reponds or I am crtisized (sp?) for only listening to those bands. when you see afi videos on myspace you know its dead. its played out. all people want is money now.
how punk is it to be talking on a forum. the people here are old guys who are punk but arent involved in the scene anymore or kids from the suburbs who only can get bands at the mall.
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