For someone that plays songs written by LA Reed, Avril is not half as bad as she should be. At least she doesnt lip synch, you gotta give her that. I don't really think she puts herself "up there" (not that those girls you mentioned are any better) and I don't think she considers herself "punk". If in fact she does, then her and her 12 year old prepubescent fans are the only ones who think so, so I say let them be cute and have their fun, cause eventually they'll start to figure things out.