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Originally Posted by The-Starving-Artless
The ideas and messages of punk are very different from rock, and punk usually sounds a lot different than normal rock.
Saying it's "hardly a truly seperate entity" is ignorant.
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Oh, really? As if "rock" has a certain number of definable messages. Rock is too broad a term. You can't associate a clear set of meanings to it, considering the full range of subgenres thought of as rock. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "normal rock" - presumably chart-rock/pop-rock. In that case then yeah, I'm sure music specifically thought of as "punk" has widely different meanings to pop rock.
Nevertheless, any meaning or meanings you attribute to "punk" will clearly be covered by some subgenre widely accepted as falling under rock.
And come on, it's not really a separate entity. Punk music came out of rock'n'roll, and then the alternative rock scene heavily borrowed from punk (yes, REAL punk too! boo hoo hoo!) even to the point that much modern pop-rock music is abound with punk (REAL PUNK) influences in the musical techniques used.
What IS ignorant, ridiculous and positively absurd is to deny that punk is pretty intricately linked to the umbrella term of "rock" music.