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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog
You've blown your cover. Do you really think I'm a socialist millionaire? Do you think anyone does? Actually I'm probably worse of financially than you are. I go to school full time, work full time, and give my parents money so they can live. I don't think I've got it bad comparatively, but I'm certainly no millionaire. What is your economic condition? I paid for school and this computer with school loans. I attend a university that was created to serve the impoverished inner city so that they could work to support their children or parents and still get a better education.
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I meant you sound like one, not you are; do you think I have any clue your economic condition whatsoever?
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What is it that you do that makes you so aware? Read one-sided ideology on economics in a cursory fashion?
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No, in fact I try to explore every facet of thought in matters concerning the majority, this allows one to be biased.
Still, you're one to talk, quote Friedman one more time.
I haven't read much of his works, but I know he publicized capitalism like there was no tomorrow.
Also, I'm pretty sure he didn't write any books on communist economic theory, just exploit its flaws because of the way it was put to bad usage by Stalin.
For the last point, you're accusing me of being cursory??
What citations must you find by next semester for the counterpoint against Marx to be rationalized, college boy?
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Cursory indeed. Am I not wrong is recalling the Marx said that Communism cannot be installed with some sort of Lenninist Vanguard party but rather must come naturally from capitalisms down fall as it tries to handle its every expanding rings of capitalism? Jesus, I hope that isn't correct or ironically enough I'm the one supporting communism and you're supporting Lenninism.
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No, this is not ironic.
You obviously are not supporting communism, especially according to Marx.
If you were, you would be waiting for the demise of capitalism and not self-righteously preaching a free market economy.
Also, in no argument did I say the October Revolution was just or support any overthrow of the capitalism the United States has accepted since its conception.
Supporting the demise of capitalism would not only be illegal, but I would be sent to Cuba, according to the Patriot Act.
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Who is patronizing again? Any by the way, what country are you from?
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Canada.
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God forbid I don't read that closed-minded hogwash from All Night Dinah but apparently you couldn't be bothered to read anything I wrote. Not only did I use facts, facts that backed up my statements and countered yours, but these people want the 15 hour a day jobs. Believe it or not, Not everyone believes that the hug-circles and maypole dances of your unhygienic dystopia are the "stuff of dreams."
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He backed up everything he said in a logical fashion.
You
cannot speak for them, you don't know; I don't know.
I'm not advocating full-fledged anarchy but I'm certainly not promoting the funding of sweatshops.
If anything, I think your idea would be more applicable to cheaper facilities with lower wages and the same number of hours- not sweatshops.
The only thing sweatshops do is sell out corporate vendors to other nations because they're trying to maximize their revenue.
Of course it makes sense that people would choose to work a 15 hour shift and make $10 instead of $2 for the same number of hours, but it's not like these patrons couldn't pay them more; clearly economic exploitation based on living condition.
Also, I like how you said I read one-sided idealogy when your bias for capitalism flares out with the statement "unhygienic dystopia".
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If you had read anything I wrote, or more importantly anything I've read you might be slightly more capable to argue.
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I'm sorry, I forgot that what you wrote is just a watered down version of every thing you've read.
Honestly, I regret not reading any books by run-of-the-mill "well to do" conservative capitalists.
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Well lets see. You apparently see no problems with this system thats set to save us all, and hasn't in the past. The system in place that affords you the ability to protest has absolutely no redeeming qualities. And I'm the one in the box?
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Never did I say capitalism was completely evil.
"unhygienic dystopia", hypocrite.
Yes, you are the one in the box.
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You offer no solutions, just condemnation of systems in place. The grass is always greener I suppose. But thus the issue. As Micheal Freeden accuratly put it:
"Marx's quasi-messianic conviction that a socialist, undistorted society would prevail meant that present defects were worth deploring, not exploring. It is as if a student of political institutions decided that it was a waste of time to study the House of Commons because its debates exhibit inferior political practice; they display loutish behaviour, competitive antagonism, gross inefficiencies and ridiculous seating arrangements. Instead, declares the scholar, let's devote our intellectual efforts to predicting the development of a best-practice legislature, which can be defended and endorsed permanently"
And so it goes. Your idiot system works because no one is proving that it will fail. Not any more.
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Until the U.S.A. was conceived, capitalism was not the shimmering obelisk you see it as now.
Many countries that endorsed capitalism in the past got screwed because most of them didn't have sufficient resources to maintain a near 1:1 import/export ratio.
Bad employment of capitalism insured high tariffs for citizens wishing to export goods and higher tariffs for the government wishing to import necessary goods; ultimately raising taxes and putting individuals into poverty.
The U.S.A. took a long time to become extremely good at its living.
If you had typed this 400 years ago, the same could have been said to you.
"Idiot system", hahaha.
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You see to be gunning for me in every thread Trauma. Be careful you don't run out of ammunition sir, lest you be seen as a fool. Given what you say, I clearly already am, and have nothing to lose.
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I just thought you had girl troubles, I'm not gunning for you!
Just because we have different opinions in no way makes you a fool; I respect what you think but disagree with your opinion, that's all.
I do not disrespect you as an individual.
Most people can barely formulate a coherent sentence, let alone follow any sort of theory and understand it, all the while backing it up in a debate; you happened to do all those things just now.
Besides, I know you're one smart mother
fucker, so shut your trap.