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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent
Alright, so you're only selectively pro-death. With the selection being poor people.
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Well the poor people of America are poor why? Because they didn't put their minds to anything. A poor person IN AMERICA has enough potential to go from rich to poor. They just have to work hard. I mean I wish healthcare could be free and everyone could share, but it gives too much power to a government. I am not so much anti-universal healthcare as I am anti-universal government. In other words when I said I was anti-universal healthcare, I am more talking about America's situation. In a small anarchist society it could work, but America isn't like that.
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When a society refuses to put the good health and prosperity of its citizens first, then there is no reason to defend that society and no reason to put any work into it at all.
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But you have to consider the longterm effects of universal healthcare. You are giving the government power of your money, and the power of how good the doctors are. Money is dangerous enough, but then how good the treatment is just adds to the problem. And the government won't stop there with socialist ideals. They will go further and further until we become what Russia was.
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You're the typical right wing American that's never even bothered to look at a Universal Healthcare system, just listens to the negative propaganda and spews it back. Look at any country with a fully subsidised healthcare system and you'll see the wellbeing and mental health of those on low income is so many times better, it's not some massive Government hoarding money and then pissing it away on nothing. People use it, people need it and people get raped of their money if they only have access to health insurance and private healthcare because here's rarely enough regulation on what they're allowed to charge and it's impossible to prepare to have enough money spare just incase you need surgery or long term treatment like cancer. Hell look at Cuba who have the best healthcare system in the world, which is also Universal.
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Excuse me, I didn't know we were talking about how bad of a critic I am. I thought we were here to talk about politics. I must have been mistaken.
Anyways to get back on topic, no I do not just look at the negative propaganda. I do realize there are good things about universal health care, but I don't think it is worth giving up more freedom and taking a big risk for those good things. I don't understand why people can't at least try to be responsible for themselves.
On the topic of the other countries, well only time will tell. We haven't seen these countries deal with this long enough for something like a terrible leader to rule them and take away more freedoms.
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Complete privatization of health care. If you need it, you pay for it (or you pay for insurance which helps). And free clinics can operate too, by philanthropy.
If you privatize, competetion will spring up. Better doctors who compete for patients by having competetive pricing.
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Everybody can't win. It is impossible. You can reduce how badly people lose, but not everyone can really win.
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And while I'm at it, I think it's hilarious when Europeans adopt this holier than thou attitidue about the way their union is run. I have news for you, the EU is already heading for collapse. You have Germany and England essentially propping up the economy while countries like Italy drag it down because they can't elect a decent government. In 10 years tops it won't exist and we'll see how wonderful your "socialistic" government is.
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It may take a bit longer than 10 years, but I think you understand the point.
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Equality really sucks when you think you're better than everybody else.
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Socialism does not give equality. It only stresses for it.
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You any idea how much a heart operation costs?
I'll give you a clue , it's about the size of a morgage.
I'm sure everybody would like to go private but sadly in the real world not everybody can afford it. I'm sure some of the elderly people & relatives I know who have needed operations on the NHS would be happy to know you'd abolish the whole thing just because of a few junkies and because they don't happen to have a lot of money you'd rather they died , but then they'd probably point out to you that they'd paid for it their entire lives themselves.
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Well I would hope they would want their offspring to live happy lives without a government controlled by a tyrant.
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Universal Healthcare is unconstitutional. The sole authority on whether or not a system can be implemented in the United States is the constitution, and universal Healthcare places a incredible amount of power in the hands of the Government. Healthcare is a service industry. Competetion increases the quality of the service, and, if not dominated by a few regional powerhouses, keeps costs managable. Universal healthcare is a huge step towards socialism, an economic and political system that the Founding Fathers did not intend and certainly would not approve of.
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The constitution is not from a superhuman being. It is from a couple of revolutionaries who liked some ideals of the enlightenment and because of the tyrannical government they were under, they acted. These guys were not the smartest beings on the earth. They did not believe in human equality because you can easily see that they owned slaves. I don't see how the founding fathers would know how to deal with socialism before it was even invented.
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Meet Benjamin. Benjamin is a cleaner. Specifically he cleans restaurant kitchens. It's not a particularly enjoyable job, and it doesn't require many qualifications. As a result it's not very highly paid. Under a pure capitalism this will remain the same as, through lack of protection for the workers rights there's inadequate support should a body wish to unionise and, for example, exercise strike action. Because Benjamins job so lacks a necessity for qualification, and because there will always be people who need money, there will always be a Benjamin. At the same time, there will always be a need for a Benjamin, without him providing such a service you go to a restaurant, eat the food and pick up God only knows what bug and fall ill. Bless him, Benjamin fell in love and married. Now he also has a kid to support! As a result of common social divide, his wife is in a similarly low paid job. Maybe she's working two to help them scrape by, which tends to be what happens.
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And why is he working in this job? Well because he thought that school was not worth it so he decided to not apply himself. If he did apply himself and not worry about love so much, maybe he would have succeeded. It is partially his fault he ended up that way.
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(protect themselves from lawsuits and get a tidy sum in their pockets)
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Not all doctors don't get paid as much as you think.
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Under the British Health System Benjamin would have paid health insurance from his wages as a part of the tax, which really is a pittance for what you get especially considering that drinkers and smokers "sin tax" heavily subsidises the system, and that the high wage earners pay more tax in the gradient system.
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And why is forced charity right? That is pretty much what it is.