First let me say that I've read up until, I don't know page 4 or 5 and I've come to the position that you should all get a library card.
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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks
You guys don't understand the basic tenants of capitalism. Competition for buisness = better product, lower prices.
Complete privatization of health care. If you need it, you pay for it (or you pay for insurance which helps). And free clinics can operate too, by philanthropy.
If you privatize, competetion will spring up. Better doctors who compete for patients by having competetive pricing. Everyone wins.
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We don't understand the "basic tenants of capitalism?" I'd be more inclined to believe you but I said that exact phrase in this thread a couple pages earlier. I don't think
you understand the basic principles of capitalism. There are reasons governments exist and regardless of what your L. Ron Hubbard overlords have told you, its not a power grab.
Standardized pricing takes place everywhere. Try and buy an ipod. Its going to be the same price everywhere. And there will not be some renegade company selling it for less because Apple won't sell you it. Even if they did, you'd be crushed by the bigger stores with more locations and the ability to process more consumers. And in your free market unregulated world, there'd be no federal government or anti-monopoly laws in place to stop them.
Businesses do not run, nor care about societies and governments, which operate in many cases as a giant consumer advocate anyway, have to keep the will of the public in mind. Capitalism is a dynamic system that corresponds well to democracy, its voting with your wallet. But if you don't like the laws you can always change the law makers.
As for your comment on philanthropy, what are you ****ing 12? Or is your head just up your ass. That was the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever read. Most capitalists want unregulated everything so your philanthropic doctors wouldn't need licenses and if you're going to allow doctors to practice in your country without any sort of oversight, then I pray you get sick first and we'll see how strong your resolve is then you poverty stricken naive invalid.
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Originally Posted by CarlJr
Universal Healthcare is unconstitutional. The sole authority on whether or not a system can be implemented in the United States is the constitution, and universal Healthcare places a incredible amount of power in the hands of the Government. Healthcare is a service industry. Competetion increases the quality of the service, and, if not dominated by a few regional powerhouses, keeps costs managable. Universal healthcare is a huge step towards socialism, an economic and political system that the Founding Fathers did not intend and certainly would not approve of.
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The founding fathers would also not approve of large corporations telling you what you can and cannot get treated for. But I suppose HMO's doing exactly what government would in a socialist nation is completely different right? Does anyone around here think?
Seriously, whats more detrimental to a society? A government dictating or a business dictating. And before you bring up idiot underdog theories again, why hasn't any HMO in existence currently offered up affordable coverage for any type of problem you'd come across?
I suppose giving them more power would fix that though, right?
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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent
The founding fathers were racist pricks and the Constitution is as outdated as the Bible.
I hate Ron Paul.
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And you're not a bright bulb either. The constitution is outdated?? Go **** yourself. The constitution is amendable, and if changes need be made, they can. Who cares what the founding fathers practiced? Shouldn't you be holding a sign that says "rethink thanksgiving?"
Newsflash: Everyone that has ever lived was a ****ty person. This is why government works. We agree on things so that we move towards a collective balance even if we're racist ourselves. Its ugly, but if there were real problems the country would have folded by now. We're making progress and just because we were not born a utopia doesn't mean we're inherently bad.
And what exactly is wrong with Ron Paul, and where did that come from? Because he cites the constitution? Shouldn't he? Its the ****ing law.